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Remain or Leave, the fact is you cannot blame the Brits for voting the way they did.

The government and the EU only have themselves to blame for treating the electorate with contempt.

They could of just told us the facts but they didn't, a document with true figures, with the definitive aims of the political project and an honest projection of what that means for Britain. It isn't good enough, we are mislead on a daily basis by elected and non-elected bureaucrats, that is not okay so treating the people like idiots with misinformation and fear-mongering really backfired and here we are.

Perhaps over the decades if concerns were listened to the referendum could of swung the other way. It is a combination of failings that got us to this point, not to mention the public were never consulted on being part of an political entity... until now anyway.

Whichever way it went you cannot predict the future, a vote to stay was not for the status-quo but closer union (one day) and a vote to leave does not mean the end of days, it is all conjecture of the highest order.

All that matters now is that we rebuild bridges, play the cards we are dealt with and move forward with a lot more confidence and positivity :)

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Grandad.....is that you? I've told you before, put down the Daily Mail and come and have a nice cuppa. :blink:

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So you do read the Daily Mail, unfortunately I don't

Do you not have a real opinion on the Brexit without the snide remarks deary;)

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:popcorn:

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There have been TV interviews with people who voted Brexit because they wanted to make a protest vote, because that's what they always do at Election time.

Now they want to change their minds because they didn't think their protest votes votes would make any difference...

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I have to say that I was not that surprised at the result.

I never knew the UK after it joined the EU ........... we left in 1967. I only know what I heard in the media and from friends and relations. It seemed to me that there still existed the divides that had existed before, ie, London and parts of the south, and "others", and that no government ever truly addressed the subject.

I do find it interesting that very few of the comments I've seen on social sites and in the media seem to be form people who voted to leave.

Is it going to be like every election when an unpopular party or person gets in ............. no-one voted for "them", but somehow they got the majority vote?

I hope the vitriol and the blaming is soon over, and the Brits get down to sorting out how to move ahead.

You never know ............ it might well prove to be best.

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Awe come on, no friggin way - same as what would have taken place had it been a remain vote.

Look its done, its over, its an exit from the EU. The quicker the better, just get on with it, including putting someone in to replace Cameron & Corbyn

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No, you're wrong. My whole point is that this decision is not suitable for the general public. On the surface that sounds arrogant, but the reality it is far more complex than many of us appreciate or are willing to devote time to. For example, I expect many of the people who voted Leave in spite of near unanimous expert warning and evidence that it is economic madness, did so to either preserve some personal perception of sovereignty (Nigel's "get our country back") or to reduce immigration pressures. The excellent 24 minute video by Professor Dougan up thread explains very clearly why the popular regain-sovereignty argument is bogus. Voters are welcome to dispute his findings, but not by saying "nah, I don't think so" and that is what many ignorant voters do. That leaves immigration. Voters are entitled to say they think it's too crowded in Britain and they don't want excessive immigration, however, leaving the EU is possibly not the way to achieve that. Even if for the sake of argument we say, it is an effective way to reduce immigration, there is still the knock on economic effects from that which need to be analysed. Ignorant voters don't do that: they decided their gut feeling on one issue entitles them to throw caution to the wind, and vote as they feel right. Their actions will effect everyone (including themselves).

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Both you & I left the UK the same year, was before the EU as it is today existed.

We had those 'Blue British' passports, then going back & forth between the UK & wherever was no hassle, no real mention of outsiders taking jobs, or about having to fund a club membership.

At the end of the day what happens from here on in doesn't directly affect me, does it you scilly?

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What failings? What concerns? The government doesn't need to feed you information, it's out there if you have the ability and interest to find it, read it, and consider it. One of the sure fire indicators that someone is an uninformed voter is when they are making pleas for more information or saying they are confused. Can you imagine a politician saying that? No, they'd lose all credibility because they are chosen to make those decisions.

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People honestly thought that this Referendum was being carried out on a Constituency basis. Yes, stupid people.

The Referendum isn't legally binding anyway. It will be up to Cameron's successor (hopefully NOT Boris) to decide if they invoke Article 50 or not.

I'm investing 25 quid to assist in keeping Boris out of office. You know, as my democratic right. Yes, a protest vote. I will be voting for whoever is standing against him.

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If I was a mod I'd edit your by-line to "not2clever either"

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you are not a 'mod' & as for being 'clever' - either way I don't care, I'm far too old to care or concern myself about anything... sorted:nod:

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Apparently both Cameron and the fool Boris agree that there's no rush to invoke Article 50. These buffoons don't realise yet that their silly public schoolboy rivalry has real consequences.