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re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
It's 5-10 years of turmoil for Britain and Europe. A second Scottish referendum within a year, tensions resurface in Northern Ireland (Sinn Fein has already proposed re-unification) Wales will lack EU, foreign and (probably) British investment. Inflation. EU itself will be near breaking point dealing with Greek financial crisis (without UK contribution) migrant crisis and emboldened eurosceptic factions in other member states. Workers rights will erode as Britain strives for flexibility to compete with Asia. Young people's opportunity cut (as above) old people no longer enjoy the right to retire in the sun. Closer ties and widening opportunities with Eastern Europe curtailed. All in all, quite rosy.
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re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
Originally Posted by JonboyE
(Post 11983161)
Yes, I think quite a lot of people saw that. The trouble is that he is an "expert" and in Brave New Britain you can't trust experts. What do they know?
We've had quite a few overnight inquiries from friends/acquaintances/family about immigrating to Canada. The only other passport I might be able to get is a British one issued in Gibraltar (my mum was born there) but that won't help me with Europe. S |
re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
:goodpost:
Originally Posted by withabix
(Post 11983039)
They think that they remember what Britain was like before the EU. Most of them were not even at working age by then.
That was in a world that no longer exists. S |
re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
Oh for goodness sake..
Why do people generalise and belittle because the vote didn't go the way they hoped? Why does it concern them so much of the age, education, employment or otherwise of those that voted to leave - don't they think there were an (almost) equal amount of people with a similar background who voted remain? Stop pointing the finger because others dissagreed! IMHO, people were just fed up to the back teeth of not having control over their own country any longer. Regardless, the deed is done. Time to move on and move forwards. |
re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
Originally Posted by Tangram
(Post 11983212)
Any before others crucify me I am not saying all those that voted out are ignorant but this women and those like her clearly had no idea of the ramifications of their actions. |
re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
Originally Posted by Engineer_abroad
(Post 11983252)
this explains more clearly than anything the danger of handing over political power in referendums to the willfully ignorant.
Any before others crucify me I am not saying all those that voted out are ignorant but this women and those like her clearly had no idea of the ramifications of their actions. |
re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
I think this was a flat out protest vote; in part against the "experts" as mentioned above
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11983276)
Many many were/are ignorant. The problem is that this was a vote on the structure of Britain and Europe, not a governmental cycle. Many don't know the difference or don't care. Democratic rights are premised on informed voters, very few voters were sufficiently informed to make this choice. It's akin to asking the general public if we should go to war, instinct and prejudice will prevail over analysis and reason. It's madness that Cameron succumbed to Farage's taunts and granted the referendum.
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re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11983221)
It's 5-10 years of turmoil for Britain and Europe. A second Scottish referendum within a year,
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re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11983276)
It's madness that Cameron succumbed to Farage's taunts and granted the referendum.
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re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11983276)
Many many were/are ignorant. The problem is that this was a vote on the structure of Britain and Europe, not a governmental cycle. Many don't know the difference or don't care. Democratic rights are premised on informed voters, very few voters were sufficiently informed to make this choice. It's akin to asking the general public if we should go to war, instinct and prejudice will prevail over analysis and reason. It's madness that Cameron succumbed to Farage's taunts and granted the referendum.
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re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 11983248)
don't they think there were an (almost) equal amount of people with a similar background who voted remain?
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 11983248)
IMHO, people were just fed up to the back teeth of not having control over their own country any longer.
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 11983248)
Regardless, the deed is done.
Time to move on and move forwards. |
re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11983276)
Many many were/are ignorant. The problem is that this was a vote on the structure of Britain and Europe, not a governmental cycle. Many don't know the difference or don't care. Democratic rights are premised on informed voters, very few voters were sufficiently informed to make this choice. It's akin to asking the general public if we should go to war, instinct and prejudice will prevail over analysis and reason. It's madness that Cameron succumbed to Farage's taunts and granted the referendum.
Originally Posted by Engineer_abroad
(Post 11983323)
+2
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re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11983276)
Many many were/are ignorant. The problem is that this was a vote on the structure of Britain and Europe, not a governmental cycle. Many don't know the difference or don't care. Democratic rights are premised on informed voters, very few voters were sufficiently informed to make this choice. It's akin to asking the general public if we should go to war, instinct and prejudice will prevail over analysis and reason. It's madness that Cameron succumbed to Farage's taunts and granted the referendum.
People voted based on how they viewed the issues as they applied to them. Because they didn't agree with the more complex issues that you may have felt important, does not mean that these were of less importance. Cameron is getting a bad press for a similar reason, but I for one, am pleased that for once a politician had the guts, forced or otherwise, to offer a difficult choice to the only group who had the right to choose. |
re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
I am over the moon with the result :thumbsup: I am having a Brexit pint :beer::britflag:
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re: Great Britain's Future - post Brexit
How quickly can the divorce papers be signed, will it take 24 months or will Brussels push to get this done ASAP?
-Right now, as of Monday 27 June ... - Is the Home Office/UKBA going move quickly on suspending the Surinder Singh route... hopefully yes - Will all those presently in the UK from the EU (largest being Poland) who are not permanent residents be told to leave the UK....hopefully yes - How quickly can the UK stop EU freedom of movement... hopefully by the end of 2016 - Will the UK airports change the border immigration passport control to remove the two tier entry of 'EU passport holders', to change it to British Citizens with EU passport holders lumped with 'all others' the way it was 40 odd years ago.... hopefully yes - Will the EHIC for all the expats living in Europe be suspended... hopefully yes. - What about the expats currently residing in Europe, will they be asked to leave, and if they are allowed to remain, will their indexed pensions no longer exist.... hopefully so - What about the 'Good Friday' agreement between the Republic of Ireland & Northern Ireland, does that cease to exist .... hopefully so - Within the next 36 months will Scotland & Northern Ireland have a a 'to separate from the UK referendum'.... hopefully so with a yes outcome. |
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