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This week's script?

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Yeah, and people keep demanding that innocent people must take action. No, they don't have to do anything. This isn't the middle east - people can do as they please.

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I do hold it to a different standard, good observation. There's a reason for that. Atrocities relating to Al-Queda, Al-Shabab, Isis, and Boko Haram make me feel uneasy for my fellow human. This kind of ideological violence has grown rapidly in the last 20 years, not to mention the tragedies in Iran a little further back. And it's now seeping into Western countries. Capturing the minds of Western men and women and persuading them them to commit atrocities and reject Western values. I see it as far more dangerous than Christianity, Hinduism, Sihkism not to mention Buddhism.

One of the problems with Islam, especially radical Islam, is that it actively seeks to convert people. And in the radical faction, once it does, it's not an easy exit. Of course Christianity does this too, but it is so benign in comparison. Though not during the Spanish inquisition, which so many apologists gleefully point out, while neglecting to notice the number of centuries progress in between. So it's not rhetoric which makes me differentiate between religions, it's an understanding of some of the differences.

Catholic diddling. There is no need to demand demonstrations as the Catholic hierarchy (arguably an extremist element) was aware of the crimes and sought to resolve them. If the Vatican was recruiting young people to become an army of pedophiles and randomly making attacks, and capturing schoolchildren or villagers and killing or raping them, I would be inclined to call for a demonstration by moderate Catholics. Presumably you and others on here wouldn't? Anyway, I'll toss this into the irrelevant example bin along with Novo's one.

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It comes down to the same thing - do you hold people accountable for the actions of others or not. By demanding that people act you are saying that you do.

I, personally, do not. Abdul down the street is no more compelled to do anything that I am.

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To prevent or lessen the chance of wrong being done. When there is a threat, everyone must play a part, and those most capable, must play the biggest part. Is that crazy?

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Try using "can" instead of "must".

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what are you doing about it?

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I think it's a nylon stocking worn under the whats-its-name.

Edit: lesson to self: bats is always quicker than you.

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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

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I'm not sure that's quite the right way to describe it.

If you become aware that your next door neighbour has some mates around and you see them tooled up planning some kind of heist, aren't you supposed to report it? If you don't and a bunch of people get killed while they carry out the crime, you are not accountable but do you share some responsibility for it?

For some years now it's been reported that a lot of rabble rousing/recruitment has been taking place in mosques. It's probably true since I recall reading that many arrests and successful convictions have taken place because Imams and others using mosques have reported such things.

It's not unreasonable to think that in other mosques some have been turning a blind eye when, perhaps, it might have been nipped in the bud.

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aww, I wish. However our comments fell on stony ground.

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It is not quite the same. I haven't seen anyone saying that muslims who know about specific terrorist plots should report them. I only see demands that Muslims in general must do something.

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Anyway, I blame Balfour.

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The only progress that Islam has made as a religion is the use of bomb vests,and firearms,otherwise it is a religion which has not adapted to the times.
Yes other religions have had violent bloody pasts,the keyword being 'past',Islam needs to change in order to fit into a modern world,sadly the people who follow Islam seem unwilling to bring their backward religion into modern times,instead wishing to live in the past,which is where the problems are seeded.

I agree that if Muslims come to western countries that they should abide by western laws,not backward medieval religious views and followings that so obviously separate them from the rest of the modern world.
I noticed some people saying that Muslims should be allowed halal meat in the western countries,yet I have noticed some of those people bitch about people who hunt,why is that? A hunter tries his/her best to dispatch an animal quickly and humanely,halal prepared meat is the opposite,a Muslim has no idea if their meat has been slowly bled to death or instantly ended,yet they demand their food to suffer.

Not all Muslims are bad people,but the majority of them feel that Shariah law supersedes the laws of any other,again this is a major problem and until Islamic attitudes change we are going to continue to have problems.

Other than Muslims bringing their religion into the 21st century willingly,and adapting to the countries in which they choose to live I don't really see anything changing in their attitudes.
Western governments have been too fast to bend to Islamic demands which in turn has caused more problems as well.

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^ Dear me. Another fundamentalist whacko.