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Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Unfortunately we will never know any of the 12 people's viewpoints now as they is all dead !
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Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 11526647)
these are my suggestions:
2. Leave the rest alone unless they do bad shit. Make sure all children recieve an excellent education and are taught to think, reason etc, able to get jobs etc. |
Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11526659)
It ain't that simple. Given that all religions are predicated on superstition and irrational belief, it's only by dismantling the religion itself that these problems can be tackled. There is a humanism thread on one of the other BE forums, have a look at that.
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Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11526645)
That's a genuinely tricky one. As a convicted rapist, I don't believe he should have a "second chance" in the public sport of football. But, and it's a big but, the guy is adamant that it wasn't rape. Obviously the jury made a judgement on the facts that were presents, but rape cases where there is a degree of consent or alcohol are notoriously difficult to decide. He's done his time, and in theory he should admit his crime, but he doesn't, so in my view there remains some doubt. So on those shaky grounds, I can see some (not full) justification for giving him a second chance.
He has surely paid his price with his sentence? |
Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
(Post 11526647)
these are my suggestions:
1. Stop pretending anyone who comes from a Muslim country, or family, or whatever necessarily wants to be Muslim. Protect and encourage those who actually wish to leave the community/faith. 2. Leave the rest alone unless they do bad shit. Make sure all children recieve an excellent education and are taught to think, reason etc, able to get jobs etc. 3. If they do bad shit, prosecute, just like anyone else. The end. |
Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by magnumpi
(Post 11526664)
Unfortunately we will never know any of the 12 people's viewpoints now as they is all dead !
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Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by magnumpi
(Post 11526637)
Prob just as much as u at this juncture.
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Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Right.
It's 5.20 I'm off to Hooters for a sensible debate on fundamentalism. |
Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11526669)
But surely are serving his time the man has to work. Why can't he work in the profession he is good at?
He has surely paid his price with his sentence? Where I am willing to give him some slack is the grey area of whether he did in fact commit rape. Assuming, as he insists, he didn't, it would be very wrong to further punish him after he has served some time in prison. So on that basis I would reluctantly permit him to play. It's "Shard logic" I'm afraid . ;):unsure::lol: |
Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11526681)
Right.
It's 5.20 I'm off to Hooters for a sensible debate on fundamentalism. |
Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by Yorkiechef
(Post 11526660)
Bats, have you seen any of the satire that these folks have done, perhaps it just what they wrote about is the reason why they died. So your agreement of TT's post is lost in the irony of it all.
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Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by Aviator
(Post 11526593)
You been on a different planet?
Ireland Red Army Faction Israel in the late 40/50s Malaya Vietnam Colonialism (probably the cause of a lot of today's problems) Africa - All over BBC - History - The Changing Faces of Terrorism History of Terrorism European wars of religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Technology has not only advanced mankind in a good way. Perhaps one problem is lack of tolerance on all sides. It has to come from and start somewhere. Some of what are now deemed terror groups were once friends and supplied armaments by the west to wipe out those perceived to be enemies. Is sending in drones not a 'terrorist' act, not all terrorists are muslims. Christianity hasn't exactly got the best record for tolerance in the past. Obama Has Killed More People with Drones than Died On 9/11 : Information Clearing House - ICH |
Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by Yorkiechef
(Post 11526671)
Interesting view, perhaps it has some weight. Thanks for this, never thought of that. Again thanks.
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Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11526669)
But surely after serving his time the man has to work. Why can't he work in the profession he is good at?
He has surely paid his price with his sentence? You must also have seen how the website in support of him (that until now) had his full backing and has revealed enough about the victim for her to have been identified, shamed and need to change identity and home several times with each 'outing' of her by those supporting him. Finally, now, he has expressed some regret over this so maybe the stance people are taking will soften a bit. All legal technicalities aside, when you read the specific details of the night's events, I can understand that people want nothing to do with him and don't want him playing for the team they cheer for. |
Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11526677)
So neither particularly concerns you at this point so therefore Tiry Tory and Zoe are right in that the problem is not actually that big in the day to day lives of most normal people.
Try to understand tho that terrorists strike at any time anywhere! Like London buses or World Trade Centre, I would rather not see any more random or organised murders of people to whome are just going about there bossiness, please. How do u know that Hooters is not the next target ? You don't and neither does anyone else. The "it won't happen to me" attitude is what these people use as a element of surprise |
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