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I stated I wouldn't return to the Paris attack thread.

So what can we do about the pickle we find ourselves in?

I have some views that I could share immediately, but I'll leave this with you for starters, the WEST makes our countries very attractive to folk from the Middle East and North Africa, why don't we make it less attractive so that they sto coming? How could we do that......

Starters, legislation to ban halal meat, all animals to be slaughtered with the least stress on the animal, no face veils, stop building mosques, no Islamic schools, no Islamic laws..... Oh, it doesnt suit you? You need these things? Find another country to live in, this is our country and its not changing anymore.

Anymore anybody? Or do we wait for the blood bath?

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Where are the muslims born in [insert name of western country] to go to worship? Or are you arguing that such buildings of other faiths are not permitted either?

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Stop building them, not knock them down. You can be a Christian, budist or Hindu in Saudi, and you may choose to follow your faith, no church's or temples though. We are not accommodated, why should we accommodate them?

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Your post makes me wonder why anyone would want to write something that paints them in such a bad way? You really might not be all that vile in real life..

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Yeah right. Why don't you apply yourself to one of the world biggest problems and stop throwing insults about. Apply yourself.

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I'm finding it hard to critique such a well thought out proposal. Well done OP.

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Genuinely this is not the world's biggest problem.

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So you're prepared to completely undo the tenets of Western democracy, then? In the name of protecting your little bubble of "civilization" you would forego freedom of association, freedom of religion, not to mention the right to exercise free choice in what to wear or what to eat?

This, I suppose, is the dilemma facing the West. Our values necessarily accommodate individuals who do not actually share those values. But that absolutely does not mean that we should stop offering those values to all people, irrespective of their own beliefs. We can vilify and if necessary prosecute individuals who break the law, but it's a very short step from what you are suggesting to the kind of ethnically- or religiously-based superiority argument against an entire belief system that would quickly invoke Godwin's law <he says, nimbly stepping back from the brink...>

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France did just that, they began to ban the face covered Burka, head scarfs and other Islamic items. It isn't working.

The scum still want the freedoms that the west gives with the changes that Islam can enforce on western society

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I know this is contraversal, it is thought provoking and is not meant to be insulting.

If you can't keep up TT, let folks know what you are having for lunch and post it, thanks.

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Some freedoms aren't really necessary. Shutting down a bunch of mosques and chruches isn't that big a deal and I can still do the things I like so what's the problem?

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We do not live in "Saudi" so what does it matter what they do, or do not permit?

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I think Matt rather sums it up nicely. :)

http://s18.postimg.org/im64yrnix/080...b_3157604a.jpg

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Any Islam sympathy lefties here want to try to defend this ???

ISIS Beheaded A Street Magician

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The problem with Godwin's Law is that doesn't differentiate between a valid use of the analogy and a preposterous one. It shuts down speech.

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Ha ha can't keep up with you- that is funny.

I find it pointless arguing with people such as yourselves...you will never change your mind because of the type of person who would think such a thing in the first place. You are unable to see the bigger picture.. That's why I'm not going to engage but it's definitely not because of any perceived superior intelligence on your part.

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number of deaths from Malaria in 2014 - 584 000 (according to WHO)

number of deaths from terrorism in 2014 - 16000 (ish) worldwide according to this (Fivefold increase in terrorism fatalities since 9/11, says report | UK news | The Guardian)

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I'll be your strawman if you like.

So, what sort of defence are you looking for? Would you prefer a debate around "not all Muslims" or "that's terrible, but understandable because..."?

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So you don't see a problem with people with such extreme views taking the occasional Pop now and then, a dozen here, a few thousand there, I don't believe in your laws, your beliefs? Because, this will be the pattern for decades until one side or the other finally choose to end the problem, bit like what is currently happening in the internal battle within Islam. I chose Saudi because it was an example of a country that does not offer any acceptance of any other belief, to do so is blasphemy and results in death. You clearly are of the view that it is of no consequence and we should ignore all these incidents and it won't happen to me.

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Ok, ta.

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I think the "not all Muslims" exscuse is over used now, maybe try to explain how this action is perfectly understandable in the circumstances

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greed, money & power ... it filters down

Who owns most all of the property in the UK?

Its a give & take me thinks, Western European countries & North American need (depend) on the middle east oil & investment - in return they get to integrate & one way or another, we all love to eat middle east food, as well as work for tax free dollars in that part of the world.

I think UK peeps & celebrities alike are vacationing in the Middle east, Egypt & surrounding Muslim countries.

Look at the number of Christians & Muslims in the world - its real close

List of religious populations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for a bloodbath, well my view is the Americans 'gunslinger' (dress them up which ever way you want) do just fine in the killing fields both at home & abroad

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I agree, at present many more die from disease, medical advancement will hopefully deal with this. We can only hope. However the terror problem has only just started. You rightly mention the deaths but what about the suffering and displacement of people (refugees TT) this is every bit as big a problem and it has the makings of something much bigger in terms of human suffering. Respect to you for the recognition of the problem with medicine and disease. So does everyone now just click over to another thread, or do you have something to add that may resolve the problem of fundentalism?

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Differences in cultural principles, belief systems, ideologies, opinions, philosophies etc we can we have interesting conversations and debates about, violence on the other hand, is bollocks. :thumbdown:

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Quite funny. 😄. I think that investment funds probably own the most commercial property, I only have one house, like most families, just one place.

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That is precisely what I'm trying to do, I would much prefer the non violent means of dealing with this prob. So what can we do?

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Christian fundamentalism

Five Things Christian Fundamentalists Just Don't Get | Sean McElwee

There is the Vatican & its corruption & control & we have 'God Bless' The American government

But not without

How Qatar bought London

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I don't live in Saudi, but I still find that things like this matter...

Saudi blogger to be publicly flogged on charges he insulted Islam | World news | The Guardian

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Well it stands to reason that if you go out of your way to offend people with the wrong kind of sand magic then something is going to happen. There's freedom of expression, but that doesn't mean freedom from consequences. The magician should have know better than to incite hatred.

(I hope this matches the "lefty islam sympathiser" that exists in your imagination)

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The Islam crazy peoeple are making Islam and Muslimism the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss.

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In the other thread, Oakvillian posted a link to a very good article on the history of Islam and rise of the fundamentalist mindset. Definitely worth a read.

Fundamentalism is an entrenched problem and not something that is easy or maybe even possible to resolve. The muslims will need to resolve their own medieval mind. However, I agree with you that Britain and Europe accommodate people with these backward ideas far too readily. There is no reason whatsoever for women to wear the niqab and France was right and brave to ban it.

Unfortunately the two ideologies will never meet, and cannot co-exist in the same place unless on a very small scale. Now that the jihadist is out of the bottle, we're in for a long cultural war.

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There was me thinking that YorkieChef and you were the elephants in this room?

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To be fair mag, some are trying to engage on here, I fear that some dare not through fear. What they fear I don't know, express your views, if you can't do this then what happened to freedom of speech, the folk that died in Paris yesterday almost require you to do this out of principle.

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The rapists and wife beaters are making men and manhood the elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss.

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Yes, a war that will be at a place and time of their choosing.

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Have you been following this story:

Ched Evans still has a lot to do if he is to play professionally once again | Football | The Guardian

Served his time but components of society don't want him to have a second chance and play again. I have been having a back and forth with some one on Facebook over this.

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So are you trying to say in a subliminal way, when terror deaths match that of malaria we then do some thing ?

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You been on a different planet?

Ireland
Red Army Faction
Israel in the late 40/50s
Malaya
Vietnam
Colonialism (probably the cause of a lot of today's problems)
Africa - All over

BBC - History - The Changing Faces of Terrorism

History of Terrorism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion
Technology has not only advanced mankind in a good way.

Perhaps one problem is lack of tolerance on all sides. It has to come from and start somewhere.

Some of what are now deemed terror groups were once friends and supplied armaments by the west to wipe out those perceived to be enemies.

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Tell that to the Palestinians.

The war with Al-Qaida can be diminished very quickly.

The United States just have to stop propping up the Jews in Israel. That was how all this started and yet people (including pretty much all of you) seem to overlook.

Western interference started us on this rocky road in the first place.

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Okay, so why do you think European born young men from minority cultures commit violence under the guise of religion?