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Old Sep 30th 2022, 12:41 am
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Hang on, which is it, the vaccine was the only way out or one of many things thrown?

Hang on (again)...the message is that the vaccine is still protecting against the original but while it's less successful against Omicron it's still proven better than not having it and there's now a new vaccine that deals better with Omicron and also the original.

Not when it's infecting more people to make up for the less severe damage to the individual I don't. That would either be foolish or dishonest.
You are being picky. I stand by my comment that whilst there were a raft of measures brought in to try and slow the spread ultimately none of them were sustainable in the long term. The vaccine however was being seen as the one tool that could get us back to some normality. Closing businesses, lockdowns and closing borders to travel was never going to last and the vaccine was certainly being heralded as our way out.
Jerseygirl has just had her 5th shot according to her comments. The US started vaccinations i believe on mass in January 2021 which means that if she had hers at the start she has had one every 4 months. Was there ever a plan to vaccinate this much? The flu shot is one yearly if you get it and that seems acceptable but every 4 months, and do you add in a flu shot too?
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Old Sep 30th 2022, 1:40 pm
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The flu shot is one yearly if you get it and that seems acceptable but every 4 months, and do you add in a flu shot too?
The flu shot is annual because flue season is annual. Covid is continuous and changing, hence vaccine adjustments.

Covid vax currently wanes, hence renewals. When Flu vax wanes, flu season has ended.
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I stand by my comment that whilst there were a raft of measures brought in to try and slow the spread ultimately none of them were sustainable in the long term.
And now that there's increasing research into their effectiveness, it's looking like none made much difference in the short term either.

In fact, now they're testing old stored nasal swabs and wastewater samples it's looking like some countries went through the whole winter of 2019/2020 with Covid spreading there and no-one really noticed. It looks like by the time Covid hit the media in 2020 restrictions were pointless because it was already too widespread to stop.

I also find it interesting that my girlfriend is currently down with some horrible lurgy which I seem to have either a mild case of or early case of when we rarely caught anything bad before 2020. I'm guessing that working from home and getting pickup orders from stores means that we missed the chance to develop much protection against the regular bugs that are going around.

Was there ever a plan to vaccinate this much?


How many people do you think would have gone out and got the vaccine if the government had told them they'd be getting four doses in a year and more every year after that?
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Apart from the medical people and their data confirming it.
Medical researchers knew by late 2021 that any protection the vaccines provided lasted at most 2-3 months. At least in the general population; it might have been more effective in vulnerable groups, and might have been more effective against the original virus that the vaccine was designed for... but that had disappeared a year or more before then.

For example, I remember reading a paper back then which looked at Covid infections in US prisons and found that there was essentially no difference in outcomes between unvaccinated prisoners and those who were vaccinated 2-3 months earlier. Up to that point there were fewer severe outcomes in the vaccinated, but the protection rapidly waned over that period.

It's also not the narrative that people were fed in 2021, even though the test results showed that short-term reduction of symptoms was the best that the vaccine was likely to do and even the vaccine manufacturers were saying it was the only thing the vaccine was likely to do. The general population were led to believe that they wouldn't catch Covid if they got vaccinated, then told they'd need another injection every few months for years to come.

Classic bait-and-switch.
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The early days of the virus compared to now are totally different. Anything and everything was being thrown at this virus to prevent deaths and massive overload of ICU depts and the vaccine rollout was one such tool that was being heralded as the only way out.
Except we now know that the early days of the virus were September and October 2019, when nothing out of the ordinary was being done. By November 2019 some medical folks in Italy had begun to notice an increase in elderly deaths from respiratory infections, but nothing special was done about it. And recent research has traced it back in Italy to at least as early as September, around six months before the panic began.

The mass deaths and overloaded ICUs literally didn't start until Covid became a media sensation and they began taking heroic measures to try to save people. Measures which the Chinese already knew to have only a 15% survival rate, and which by mid-2020 we also knew to have only a 15% survival rate because Chinese researchers published their data then.

I would really like to know what happened to Covid between September 2019 and March 2020. If the claims about infection rates are true then just about everyone in Italy should have had it before March. Hopefully we'll learn more over the next few months as the researchers dig into it more deeply.

Edit: yeah, they were originally claiming something like each person would infect six other people if nothing was done, so if you assume it takes two weeks to go from infection to infecting others that would mean in six months where nothing was done they should have infected over two billion people. Something really doesn't add up.

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Latest Covid surge a ‘heavy straw on camel’s back’ for every hospital in UK
Every hospital in the UK is under significant pressure and a new Covid surge is “a very heavy straw on the camel’s back”, health leaders have warned.

At least eight hospitals declared a critical incident, cancelled operations or asked people not to come to A&E unless they were seriously ill last week. One of Britain’s most senior emergency doctor said there were links between incidents like these and the rapid rise in hospitalisations for Covid, up nearly 37% in a week to 7,024.
And still there are deniers and conspiracy theorists
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Latest Covid surge a ‘heavy straw on camel’s back’ for every hospital in UK
And still there are deniers and conspiracy theorists
So the article says its the sixth leading cause of death, so 5 other causes of death are ahead of COVID yet we still focus on COVID as per the article. And then there's this comment:
People at higher risk of Covid should get vaccinated as soon as possible, Raleigh said. “This is especially important for people from deprived and ethnic minority communities, given the disproportionately brutal impact Covid-19 has had on them
The problem is that's all very well in these rich countries like UK and USA where 5 doses have been at least offered if not given as yet. Stark contrast to poorer countries who have struggled to even get the two shots for most of their people. There still seems a massive gap between countries and their vaccination availability and take up. This is still a global virus but it's not an even playing field.
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So the article says its the sixth leading cause of death, so 5 other causes of death are ahead of COVID yet we still focus on COVID as per the article. .....
I don't think that's true - there is a lot of focus on the other leading causes - better diets, stop smoking, mental health support, cancer research, etc. All of these have been around for many years, and we don't notice the message any more.

COVID is a new cause compared to the others - and is the only transmissible disease.
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I don't think that's true - there is a lot of focus on the other leading causes - better diets, stop smoking, mental health support, cancer research, etc. All of these have been around for many years, and we don't notice the message any more.

COVID is a new cause compared to the others - and is the only transmissible disease.
Good sensible logical post.
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So the article says its the sixth leading cause of death, so 5 other causes of death are ahead of COVID yet we still focus on COVID as per the article. And then there's this comment:
People at higher risk of Covid should get vaccinated as soon as possible, Raleigh said. “This is especially important for people from deprived and ethnic minority communities, given the disproportionately brutal impact Covid-19 has had on them
The problem is that's all very well in these rich countries like UK and USA where 5 doses have been at least offered if not given as yet. Stark contrast to poorer countries who have struggled to even get the two shots for most of their people. There still seems a massive gap between countries and their vaccination availability and take up. This is still a global virus but it's not an even playing field.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...s/february2022

Third leading cause here.

COVID has also caused a drop in the average life expectancy
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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...s/february2022

Third leading cause here.

COVID has also caused a drop in the average life expectancy
No that's from February, if you look you can click on the link for an updated version which takes you to August 2022 and there it says 6th leading cause.
I see that the leading cause is Dementia and Alzheimer's. This surprised me somewhat.
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So the article says its the sixth leading cause of death, so 5 other causes of death are ahead of COVID yet we still focus on COVID as per the article. .
I look forward to reading your piece about how we needn't worry about heart attacks or cancer if Dementia kills more.
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I don't think that's true - there is a lot of focus on the other leading causes - better diets, stop smoking, mental health support, cancer research, etc. All of these have been around for many years, and we don't notice the message any more.

COVID is a new cause compared to the others - and is the only transmissible disease.
Every two minutes, a child dies of malaria. It is preventable and curable.
If Malaria was all of a sudden rampant in the western word, people would lose their minds. Poor old sub-Saharan Africa
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Every two minutes, a child dies of malaria. It is preventable and curable.
If Malaria was all of a sudden rampant in the western word, people would lose their minds. Poor old sub-Saharan Africa
Here's s snippet from Google: The United States banned the use of DDT in 1972. Some countries outside the United States still use DDT to control of mosquitoes that spread malaria.

I remember when there was a big fuss about DDT. I remember it was banned in many nations, largely because of a book called "Silent Spring". It may still be banned in some places. Of course there are several different kinds of malaria. I caught it in the New Hebrides (in the south Pacific, now Vanuatu) and was in bed for a week in 1973 or '74, with no after-effects. I now live in Cayman in the Caribbean, where malaria-carrying mosquitoes are kept in check by an extensive government program. Our neighbour JamaIca, has a problem with "dengue-fever", a variant of the common or garden malaria. It can kill.
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