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Old Oct 22nd 2021, 4:28 pm
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That is not what it says at all. It does not say “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.” Must be at least a contributor to count. Very clear. Not a car accident.
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This article explains the issue with counting Covid as the cause of death. https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/dea...326970?cache=.
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Top of page 3 spells it out further. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...otes.pdf?la=en
You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

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Old Oct 22nd 2021, 5:11 pm
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You are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

I disagree.


Absolutely. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Not to making up "facts" and conspiracies though. Your opinion happens to be a conspiracy.

Public Health Ontario couldn't be clearer:

For surveillance purposes, a COVID-19 death is defined as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (i.e., trauma).
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Absolutely. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Not to making up "facts" and conspiracies though. Your opinion happens to be a conspiracy.

Public Health Ontario couldn't be clearer:

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-...otes.pdf?la=en
Nothing conspiratorial about my post, dear.
They specifically state on the website in plain view..

Deaths are included whether or not Covid-19 was determined to be a contributing or underlying cause of death
- which doesn't preclude heart attack, pneumonia, whooping cough, or a hundred other diseases / infections etc., although I confirm that it appears that traumatic deaths are not included in the stats, which I erroneously mentioned - for which I apologise!

a COVID-19 death is defined as a death resultingfrom a clinically compatible illness in a confirmed COVID-19 case
- which doesn't preclude heart attacks or anything else.. you can die from a heart attack when you have a bad cold, or any other illness




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Old Oct 22nd 2021, 5:46 pm
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Nothing conspiratorial about my post, dear.
They specifically state on the website in plain view..

- which doesn't preclude heart attack, pneumonia, whooping cough, or a hundred other diseases / infections etc., although I confirm that it appears that traumatic deaths are not included in the stats, which I erroneously mentioned - for which I apologise!

- which doesn't preclude heart attacks or anything else.. you can die from a heart attack when you have a bad cold, or any other illness
Please read the links where people who know what they are talking about clearly explain what is counted and why. I already provided it up the thread: https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/dea...5326970?cache=.

I am sorry but it takes bad faith to make up nonsense that victims of car accidents and whooping cough are counted as the victims of Covid. It is a conspiracy.
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Some in BC might need 2 passport cards, part of the article says one thing, then further down it say's the provinces agreed to conform the standard, but now seems maybe BC isn't going to?

https://globalnews.ca/news/8287089/b...sport-program/

"British Columbians will be required to have both a federal vaccine passport and BC Vaccine Card if they want to eat at a restaurant and travel by airplane."

From October 30 to November 29 the BC card will apparently be acceptable by the federal government, but not beyond that.

But then further down it's say's this:

British Columbia, along with all provinces, has agreed to conform proof-of-vaccine documents, or COVID-19 vaccine passports, to a national standard so that they can be used for international and domestic travel.



So you may need both, but maybe you wont, just get both to be safe, but currently the federal one is only available in select provinces, BC is not a province where it's available yet.

Oh and you may if travelling outside of Canada don't forget to bring a bring a printout that contains your COVID-19 vaccine history, such as your vaccine receipt as the federal vaccine passport may not be readble outside of Canada.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...get-proof.html


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Some in BC might need 2 passport cards, part of the article says one thing, then further down it say's the provinces agreed to conform the standard, but now seems maybe BC isn't going to?

https://globalnews.ca/news/8287089/b...sport-program/

"British Columbians will be required to have both a federal vaccine passport and BC Vaccine Card if they want to eat at a restaurant and travel by airplane."

From October 30 to November 29 the BC card will apparently be acceptable by the federal government, but not beyond that.

But then further down it's say's this:

British Columbia, along with all provinces, has agreed to conform proof-of-vaccine documents, or COVID-19 vaccine passports, to a national standard so that they can be used for international and domestic travel.



So you may need both, but maybe you wont, just get both to be safe, but currently the federal one is only available in select provinces, BC is not a province where it's available yet.

Oh and you may if travelling outside of Canada don't forget to bring a bring a printout that contains your COVID-19 vaccine history, such as your vaccine receipt as the federal vaccine passport may not be readble outside of Canada.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...get-proof.html
Yet more nonsense for the general public to try and interpret if they want to venture out. Surely it's the most sensible option to make a federal vax passport for ALL vaccinated people. Now if that cannot be used in another country so be it but it seems that around the world rules are being implemented to differing degrees and often changed at short notice so it is difficult to keep up.
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Yet more nonsense for the general public to try and interpret if they want to venture out. Surely it's the most sensible option to make a federal vax passport for ALL vaccinated people. Now if that cannot be used in another country so be it but it seems that around the world rules are being implemented to differing degrees and often changed at short notice so it is difficult to keep up.
Yep. And the Federal Government will do this. Five months too late. Having forced the provinces to spend money and resources on setting up their disparate systems.

https://news.google.com/articles/CBM...A&ceid=CA%3Aen
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Please read the links where people who know what they are talking about clearly explain what is counted and why. I already provided it up the thread: https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/dea...5326970?cache=.

I am sorry but it takes bad faith to make up nonsense that victims of car accidents and whooping cough are counted as the victims of Covid. It is a conspiracy.
No conspiracy, Fact. I already redacted the 'traumatic deaths' suggestion, if you care to read my posts.

I wasn't stating whooping cough was an underlying factor, I mentioned it as one of numerous diseases that affect the lungs and therefore could be counted as Hamilton clearly state (from the link you gave)
For surveillance purposes, a COVID-19 death is defined as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness in a confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (i.e., trauma).
The 'clinically compatible symptoms' list is quite broad and could cover quite a few diseases affecting the lungs - influenza, whooping cough, pneumonia etc., and if the patient suffering from one of these also had a positive Covid test, their death would be counted under the Covid statistics.
• Fever (temperature of 37.8°C/100.0°F or greater) and/or chills
• Cough (that is new or worsening (e.g. continuous, more than usual if chronic cough)
including croup (barking cough, making a whistling noise when breathing)
• Shortness of breath (dyspnea, out of breath, unable to breathe deeply, wheeze, that is
worse than usual if chronically short of breath)
• New olfactory or taste disorder (decrease or loss of smell or taste)
• Fatigue, lethargy, or malaise (general feeling of being unwell, lack of energy, extreme
tiredness) that is unusual or unexplained
• Myalgias (muscle aches and pain) that are unexplained, unusual, or long-lasting
Additionally - from Canada Health.. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...efinition.html

Deceased case

A probable or confirmed COVID-19 case whose death resulted from a clinically compatible illness, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death identified (e.g., trauma, poisoning, drug overdose).

A Medical Officer of Health, relevant public health authority, or coroner may use their discretion when determining if a death was due to COVID-19, and their judgement will supersede the above-mentioned criteria.

A death due to COVID-19 may be attributed when COVID-19 is the cause of death or is a contributing factor.
I'm not for one second stating that the numbers of deaths being quoted are fabricated in any way.. I'm far from a conspirator... I mentioned the Hamilton statistics because I thought it strange they would phrase it in such a way.

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Moving on..........

Ontario intends to start easing off on restrictions, starting on October 25th with a relaxation of capacity limits, followed by potentially lifting restrictions on being vaccinated when going to certain types of venue.. depending on any increase in numbers over winter, of course... between 17th January and 28th March. One has to wonder what kind of impact this might make
https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1...-the-long-term

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These doctors should have their licenses revoked and barred from practicing medicine in BC for life. (well looks like one isn't practicing medicine as has an inactive license)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ions-1.6221825

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These doctors should have their licenses revoked and barred from practicing medicine in BC for life. (well looks like one isn't practicing medicine as has an inactive license)
I took a tour of their website, and you don't often find that much bullshit in one place.
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BC folks will be eligible for a booster 6 to 8 months after their 2nd dose roughly, and will be contacted when eligible, booster shot at this time will not be mandatory.

For the time being, fully vaccinated will remain 2 doses, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that always being the case if the vaccine protection wanes or another variant shows up that the vaccine doesn't work well against.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8326216/b...-shot-program/

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Healthcare workers excluding care home workers not vaccinated have been placed on unpaid leave, formal termination will begin on November 15th for those who haven't gotten the first dose.

Carehome workers had an earlier deadline, and termination process began today for unvaccinated care home workers.

1,369 employees of Interior Health, seven per cent of the workforce, remain unvaccinated.

Other health authorities are reporting unvaccinated rates of between two and five per cent.

Across B.C. there are 4,090 unvaccinated healthcare workers and 2,626 partially-vaccinated workers working towards full vaccination status.


https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/349...rkers-says-Dix

An interview with a couple nurses at Kelowna Hospital who were sent home at midnight for refusing the vaccine.

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An interview with a couple nurses at Kelowna Hospital who were sent home at midnight for refusing the vaccine.
Religious exemption my arse.
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Religious exemption my arse.

Will be interesting to see how many of those suspended without pay yesterday, have gotten a first dose by November 15, they have until then to get a first dose to prevent termination.

Some may have thought the government would fold due to the staffing shortages, but I am glad the government didn't fold, might push some of these people to go get vaccinated, and those who don't, probably not who you want in healthcare anyhow.


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