scrubbedexpat091

Found some more info on 2 of the nurses who apparently lead that group. They have done a wonderful job ensuring their names show up as top results on google, so maybe it will keep them from being employed as nurses anywhere else.

One was terminated with cause by London Health Sciences Centre for her role in a lock down protest in November.

The nurse in the link above plus another from that nurses group were also being investigator by the regulator of nurses in Ontario, as both just happened to be in Washington DC attending a lockdown protest on the day of the Capitol riot.

Mordko

In general, it makes sense to fire anti-vaxxers and Covid conspiracists from healthcare and long-term care facilities. Just as it makes sense to fire alchemists pretending to be chemical engineers. Good to see provinces introducing vaccination requirements in LTHFs and hospitals. Better late than never.

scrubbedexpat091

Hospitalizations continue to rise, Northern Health seems to getting hit hard now, Prince George hospital ICU has seen their patient admissions climb 400% in 10 days, with a good chunk of the patients coming from B.C.'s Peace River region which is the least vaccinated region in BC.

Mostly unvaccinated people being admitted.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...-b-c-1.6161455

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...pt-2-1.6162507

Siouxie

Ontario bringing in Vaccine 'extended certificate' (aka Passport ) from September 22nd...

https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1...elect-settings

scrubbedexpat091

Looks similiar to BC's plan but Ontario seems to have given no grace people for unvaccinated, where BC is doing ours in 2 phases, September 13, 1 dose minimum, then October 24, 2 doses are required.

On also has a medical exemption vs BC with no exemptions for anyone over 12.

And the government is cutting it close, they are not expected to announce the method of getting this "vaccine passport" until next Tuesday, giving people less than a week to get it, those with smart phones wont have the same hurdle, but those who need to call in and obtain the alternative whatever that might be, likely wont be able to get by September 13th as it will almost certainly require being mailed + government processing time.

I venture if these groups can't get BC to carve in some exemptions, there will be a lawsuit filed or a human rights complaint filed.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8163230/v...iscrimination/

CanadaJimmy

Alberta is now offering people $100 to get vaccinated: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...shaw-1.6163826

Mordko

Yes, and Alberta is “streamlining printing of conveniently sized Vaccination records”. Kenny made a pig’s ear of it but at least he is smart enough to backtrack.

scrubbedexpat091

So where other provinces went with a more punitive policy for the unvaccinated (not letting them do certain things) Alberta is going with the lets reward the stragglers by paying them, so it paid to wait in Alberta, literally.

Jerseygirl

According to the Mayor of Toronto, many unvaccinated people are now getting the vaccine before the 22nd Sept. Many mobile vax. centres have been set up around the city. After that date they will not be allowed into certain places, restaurants, bars, club, concerts etc etc etc…unless there is a medical exemption.

Jerseygirl

There are only 2 valid medical reasons for not getting vaccinated in Ontario.

“The first would be an allergic reaction to a component of the vaccine within an individual, which must be confirmed by an allergist or immunologist. The second would be if an individual suffered myocarditis or pericarditis after the first dose of a vaccine."

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/ont...ines-1.5572954

Siouxie

Unfortunately my neurologist.. vascular surgeon.. cardiologist and GP disagree..

printer

Yes because we don't want those unvaccinated heathens getting near us in a restaurant or bar but hey they are welcome to join us in the grocery store or any medical facility they may have an appointment at.
This is clearly about getting as many as possible vaccinated but if we are to tread this thin line on segregation are we on a path towards separate shopping times for vaxxed and unvaxxed? Are we going to see an uprising of the vaccinated complaining about having to shop amongst possible unvaccinated? I think the ones who have just not bothered or are unsure will be swayed by this passport thing but the hardliners won't bother. They can wait it out unless their job is on the line.

Jerseygirl

Hopefully it is pushing quite a few more people to get vaccinated, but like you say, the hardliners won’t bother. Shame on them.

scrubbedexpat091

Nothing will convince the die hard anti-vax folks, but seems the trend with the on the fence people or just the lazy ones is take away their bars, movies, restaurants and they rush out to get the vaccine.

BC saw a significant spike in vaccines when they made the announcement, we are probably running out of on the fence types though, take away the 0-12 not eligible, and BC is nearly 80% fully vaccinated and 88% with one dose, so we are likely reaching a point now where it will be mostly the die hard left, but it will be easier to see roughly what % of the population are these types.

0-12 is about 10% of the BC population.

It's also quite regional, some regions are highly vaccinated and some like up in Northern BC barely 50%, and the outbreak trends reflect this.

It will be interesting if the government cracks down on restaurants whose owners have been very vocal about not following the rules.

BristolUK

What's the issue here?

We know that masks, distancing, hand sanitising etc have a major effect on transmission of the virus. When eating and drinking in a bar or restaurant the mask is removed. Even if seating is distanced you're still in the same fixed place as are other diners, with waiting staff going back and forth between you - spending significant time with you - other customers and their colleagues.

That's hugely different to a brief pass in a supermarket whether masked up or not.

We also know that while the vaccinated may still pick up the virus and may still transmit to someone else, research shows that as well as the vaccine protecting the vaccinated, it makes them infectious for a shorter period, in the event they pick it up, and results in a smaller covid load to transmit..

In this respect there are similarities with the mask wearing in that both actions reduce the likelihood of covid transmission. Having a fixed place in a bar or restaurant with someone going between you and other patrons is clearly more risky and, therefore, more likely to involve restrictions and conditions to reduce the risk, than would be needed in a supermarket.