caretaker

Will be a non-issue for Siouxie if Ontario adopts the same program.

Almost Canadian

So, if their inability to be to be able to have to the vaccine is a genuine one (medical issue) are they to be denied the service, or should an exemption be made? If it is safe for one unvaccinated person to be able to access the service, how can it not be for others? What about those under 12?

I appreciate that you wish to use it as a stick but, unless you are advocating for mandatory vaccines (which I certainly wouldn't agree with), I can't see how this will work.

Edit: Just read the link and it doesn't appear to be preventing access to essential services.

Mordko

Restricting access to essential services was suggested by nobody ever in the real world (social media excluded). Those who can't be vaccinated still get access to non-essential services, same as vaccinated people. Everyone gets access to essential services. It's designed to help the fearful and the lazy who can be vaccinated to get over the hump and bring the vaccination rate up - hopefully to a level where the risk is sufficiently minimized, we can reopen and shut-downs are no longer required.

Mordko

This article provides a helpful summary on medical conditions preventing vaccination https://www.forbes.com/sites/victori...h=1eb206a944c5

scrubbedexpat091

Maybe a non-issue in Quebec, however in BC where our version goes into effect on Sept 13, doesn't give that option, the only exemption currently are for those 12 and under, lawyers have already said it likely will lead to a court challenge, but so far the top health official Dr. Henry doesn't plan to have exemptions.

The rules don't affect me as I am vaccinated, but kind of sucks for those like Siouxie who can't for medical reasons being further excluded from society through no fault of their own.

For BC the list of places where proof of vaccination will be required are:

• indoor ticketed sporting events
• indoor concerts
• indoor theatre/dance/symphony events
• restaurants (indoor and patio dining)
• night clubs
• casinos
• movie theatres
• fitness centres/gyms (excluding youth recreational sport)
• businesses offering indoor high-intensity group exercise activities
• organized indoor events (eg. weddings, parties, conferences, meetings, workshops)
• discretionary organized indoor group recreational classes and activities

Mordko

Will follow the court challenge with interest. Assuming the Forbes article is correct, Dr Henry will win the case easily.

Besides, the passport system gives incentives and encourages. Its the carrot rather than the stick. Without mass vaccination in Canada, nobody would be able to go to any public events except the absolutely essential ones. The fact most Canadians over 12 have acted reasonably is why things are improving so the rewards are due to them. Those that chose the other option are not losing out; they are also benefiting from risk reduction when they go shopping but a concert or travel is something that wouldn’t even happen had everyone followed their example.

And I do so wish we had someone with a backbone in Ottawa and a little more focused on the country and less on winning his majority. We would have had a single system across the country rather than this hotchpotch.

Danny B

What a terrible format that article is in.

Is this the TLDR ?
There are no known medical conditions which absolutely prevent a person from getting a Covid-19 vaccine.

Mordko

Kinda. Does say that oncologists might recommend delays during certain treatments and discusses a few other potential issues like phobias but you summed it up quite well.

scrubbedexpat091

Vaccine by age group in BC. 80+ is the best at 93%.

18-29 is the worst 63.5%, I excluded the 0-17 group as the 0-11 age range isn't even allowed to get the vaccine, so I feel its unfair to include that group since only partial group within are allowed the vaccine.

I belong to the group of vaccinated fully in Canada, but I crossed into the US, I am no longer fully vaccinated, and probably other countries that wont recognize my vaccination status due to mix matching that was done.

printer

Again you are missing the point here. Throw as many studies around as you like but please tell me why for example Scotland is concerned with ever rising case loads yet they did NOT remove the mask mandate when they relaxed restrictions. They should be a model case for masks whereby they opened up but kept masks unlike others so their case rates are looking good and they can categorically state that masks worked as intended!
Put a 100 people in a small room with masks and the same in another room unmasked and yes masks will make a difference. Masks work, particularly in crowded spaces, mask mandates as they are don't work in the way that some people think they do because if they did we wouldn't see so many cases as we are seeing.

scrubbedexpat091

Hospitalizations continue to climb in BC, up 32% from last Monday with ICU up 15% from a week ago.

Good news is vaccinations over the weekend were up 77% from the previous weekend, with an average of 5,723 1st doses each day.

28% of the new cases reported today were in Fraser Health, lower vaccination rate in Chilliwack and Hope in part leading to the increase, Chilliwack hospital has 3 patients so far testing positive in their hospital outbreak.

small, informal social gatherings are driving the increase in Fraser Health, particularly with the unvaccinated with unvaccinated having about 8 times more cases than partially or fully vaccinated.

Some walk in clinics throughout the province are also doing vaccines.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...g-30-1.6158122

caretaker

As case numbers increase, ICU beds are in short supply:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...urge-1.6158408

scrubbedexpat091

And even if you have the beds, still need the staff, last year in the US some hospitals had the physical beds, just didn't have the nurses and support staff to put patients in the beds.

Canada has been downgrade to a level 3 warning by the US State Department, was at level 1 until Aug 10 when downgraded to level 2. Level 3 is a reconsider travel warning, 4 is the highest which is do not travel level.

scrubbedexpat091

This chart breaks down vaccination rate by health authority in BC, not sure what is going on up north. (note the chart doesn't break it down by eligible population, but full population hence why they may appear lower than the numbers media uses as they often use the of eligible population so the numbers within the eligible are higher, however this is how it stands when you include all the youngsters not eligible yet.)




https://covid19tracker.ca/provincevac.html?p=BC

Siouxie

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