Coronavirus
#3661
Re: Coronavirus
#3662
Re: Coronavirus
Vaccinate the residents that don't have covid yet
or they're probably going to get it and die. They don't go anywhere outside the building but they give it to others inside. The numbers speak for themselves.
or they're probably going to get it and die. They don't go anywhere outside the building but they give it to others inside. The numbers speak for themselves.
#3663
Re: Coronavirus
I don't disagree, but this is a triage-type situation. People who are already isolating aren't top priority - people who have no choice but to engage in face-to-face contact are, and that means the care home workers not the residents. The residents are priority 2 not priority 1.
#3664
Re: Coronavirus
Care home residents are isolated from those outside, not from each other or their carers. They are dying right now because of insufficient staffing but also because there is no way to keep them from being exposed. I'm not going to bother arguing with you.
edit; not all care homes are created equal. My co-worker's dad was in Extendicare Parkside (which became a covid hell-hole) but she was able to get him into another place in a smaller home in a town outside of the city. Nobody in or out other than staff, strict protocols, and no outbreak there. Not like Parkside where the staff and client infections are nearly equal. The Parkside residents who haven't got it yet are waiting to get it, and those who have it but haven't died yet are largely waiting to die. It isn't the only or even the worst place in the country.
edit; not all care homes are created equal. My co-worker's dad was in Extendicare Parkside (which became a covid hell-hole) but she was able to get him into another place in a smaller home in a town outside of the city. Nobody in or out other than staff, strict protocols, and no outbreak there. Not like Parkside where the staff and client infections are nearly equal. The Parkside residents who haven't got it yet are waiting to get it, and those who have it but haven't died yet are largely waiting to die. It isn't the only or even the worst place in the country.
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#3665
Re: Coronavirus
I'm not arguing with you, simply stating my opinion.There is no right or wrong answer in these cases because we can all cite examples which support our own view, which then makes the position subjective. It's very difficult to take an objective position when there's personal opinion involved.
#3666
Re: Coronavirus
I don't know what it's like in Canada but here in the UK there are plenty of TV adverts for summer holidays and plenty of celebs posting photos from Dubai and plenty of idiots still keen to go on holiday... it's absolutely mental. What is wrong with people that, in the midst of all this utter chaos, all they can think about is jetting off on holiday?
#3667
Re: Coronavirus
This is the reason I think it is madness to include care home residents in the first wave of vaccinations - by and large they don't go anywhere, but the care home workers do. The first priority for vaccinations should be key workers in public facing jobs - care home workers, NHS staff, teachers, transport workers, shop workers, food production workers... not elderly people who are easy to isolate. They are a priority, certainly, but not the top priority.
#3668
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Re: Coronavirus
This is the reason I think it is madness to include care home residents in the first wave of vaccinations - by and large they don't go anywhere, but the care home workers do. The first priority for vaccinations should be key workers in public facing jobs - care home workers, NHS staff, teachers, transport workers, shop workers, food production workers... not elderly people who are easy to isolate. They are a priority, certainly, but not the top priority.
While none of the groups you mention are unimportant or not at considerable risk, I'd re-rank immediate vaccine eligibility as: NHS staff, care home workers, care home residents, and then other 'essential' public-facing workers. (And in saying so, I'm downgrading my own relative priority on your ranked list--I'm willing to 'take my medicine' after the oldies are protected.)
#3669
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Re: Coronavirus
I don't know what it's like in Canada but here in the UK there are plenty of TV adverts for summer holidays and plenty of celebs posting photos from Dubai and plenty of idiots still keen to go on holiday... it's absolutely mental. What is wrong with people that, in the midst of all this utter chaos, all they can think about is jetting off on holiday?
I can't really blame the airlines, they have gotten really no support from the Canadian government and can only raise so much money from private entities, and well they have a business to run and keep alive. Its a hard spot for airlines, they need people to fly, when people shouldn't be flying.
#3670
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Re: Coronavirus
Paramedics / ambulance crew should be included in those receiving the 1st wave of vaccines.. they are the first to see many of the people who are in a desperate situation from Covid and are placed at risk because of it... Ontario have just recognised that, thankfully.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...lans-1.5252953
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...lans-1.5252953
#3671
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Re: Coronavirus
Paramedics / ambulance crew should be included in those receiving the 1st wave of vaccines.. they are the first to see many of the people who are in a desperate situation from Covid and are placed at risk because of it... Ontario have just recognised that, thankfully.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...lans-1.5252953
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...lans-1.5252953
Paramedics are in the first priority group in BC, but there are a lot of people in that group and unless vaccines start to roll in quicker, not entirely confident they will be able to maintain the anticipated schedule of having the first priority group vaccinated by end of next month, but hopefully more doses continue to arrive in larger numbers.
J&J if all goes well plans to submit their emergency use application in the US early to mid February, so hopefully Canada wont be too far behind in approving them, they have a 1 dose vaccine so that makes it easier logistically as well.
All the time tables seem to be based on having at least 3 vaccines approved, only 2 approved so far, but once AstraZeneca is approved, hopefully that will help speed up doses arriving.
The first groups to get vaccinated between December and February include:
- residents, staff and essential visitors to long-term care and assisted-living residences.
- individuals in hospital or community awaiting a long term care placement
- health care workers providing care for COVID-19 patients in settings like Intensive Care Units, emergency departments, medical/surgical units and paramedics.
- remote and isolated First Nations communities.
From February to March, the immunization program will expand to include:
- community-based seniors, age 80 and above; Indigenous (First Nations, Métis, Inuit) seniors, age 65 and above, and Indigenous elders.
- people experiencing homelessness and/or using shelters.
- provincial correctional facilities.
- adults in group homes or mental health residential care.
- long term home support recipients and staff.
- hospital staff, community GPs and medical specialists.
- Indigenous communities not vaccinated in first priority group.
#3672
Re: Coronavirus
I just watched Trudeau's pep talk and it's a little discouraging. He's talking about hundreds of doses per week per province over the next week or two instead of thousands, and the shipments coming in February (he says we have more doses per capita confirmed to be coming than any other country) is supposed to allow accelerated vaccinations. The plan is to have every person in Canada vaccinated by September. I like the sound of April more, but it doesn't sound like that's going to happen.
#3673
Re: Coronavirus
I just watched Trudeau's pep talk and it's a little discouraging. He's talking about hundreds of doses per week per province over the next week or two instead of thousands, and the shipments coming in February (he says we have more doses per capita confirmed to be coming than any other country) is supposed to allow accelerated vaccinations. The plan is to have every person in Canada vaccinated by September. I like the sound of April more, but it doesn't sound like that's going to happen.
#3674
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Re: Coronavirus
I just watched Trudeau's pep talk and it's a little discouraging. He's talking about hundreds of doses per week per province over the next week or two instead of thousands, and the shipments coming in February (he says we have more doses per capita confirmed to be coming than any other country) is supposed to allow accelerated vaccinations. The plan is to have every person in Canada vaccinated by September. I like the sound of April more, but it doesn't sound like that's going to happen.
I will be pleasantly surprised if we meet the everyone by September time frame.
Chart for change in employment in Dec 2020 compared to Feb 2020, most industries still not doing well.
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#3675
Re: Coronavirus
I just watched Trudeau's pep talk and it's a little discouraging. He's talking about hundreds of doses per week per province over the next week or two instead of thousands, and the shipments coming in February (he says we have more doses per capita confirmed to be coming than any other country) is supposed to allow accelerated vaccinations. The plan is to have every person in Canada vaccinated by September. I like the sound of April more, but it doesn't sound like that's going to happen.
The early supplies are also of the type with limited storage capability as it has to be kept at -70c or whatever it is. In NB, so far, they've only done it in two centres because of that. With the later supplies and normal refrigeration practice and having it in more placec means it will go quicker.
It's like those computer download bars that take 10 minutes to move from 5% to 10% and then 2 minutes later it's at 98%.
Seriously, I saw a graph today or yesterday showing how many vaccines countries had received and how many done. Canada's rate seemed in line with all the other countries; the only differences being the bars for a handful of other countries looked better because of more doses/greater population.