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If the remainers would just keep quiet they might have some chance of winning, unless the outers caught on and kept quiet too. There's so much crap being talked on both sides.

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The same thing happened in the Scottish referendum, there was a brief panic and the status quo prevailed comfortably.

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I'd anticipated this:

PM urged to reopen free movement discussion if UK stays in EU | Politics | The Guardian

The other thing is cutting 'benefits' for foreigners (e.g. health care). They both might be dangerous for UK nationals in Italy.

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Anyone who's worried, I'd apply for Italian Citizenship if you can. Might help.

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If the rest of the EU wasn't willing to budge on Freedom of Movement with the threat of Brexit hanging over their heads they certainly won't once that leverage is taken away.

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Interesting thread, been watching it, good that it has managed to stay polite and reasoned.
Few rambly thoughts from me - good posts from jonwel and modicasa in particular on the smoke and mirrors job on the supposed strength of the brit economy. I do wish some of the folks in the public (not on here) debate would stop rabbitting on about how great the brit economy is and how envied abroad - maybe they could explain to some of those foreigners why this uber successful powerhouse is closing (or handing to volunteers) loads of libraries across the country that have served their communities since victorian times through two world wars, various recessions, depressions and near national bancruptcy post WWII.
And why many rural (and not so rural) places outside the blessed south east and london are losing their last bus links with the outside world, services that have run for decades. Leaving many an old person effectively stuck at home full stop to admire their free bus pass on the mantelpiece.
I will vote to stay, with a certain reluctance. Don't like the way europe is going in many ways and can see real problems for it down the line as disaffected sectors of society and individuals see it as unresponsive.
I don't think the debate is as simple as some would have you believe - not all brexiters are xenophobic headbangers by a long stretch. I know thoughtful folk, folk on the left, others, who have severe issues with europe. And pretty recent immigrants to the UK who are for brexit.
Yes, boris is a charlatan, always has been. Has managed to captivate an amazing number of folk who I would have thought intelligent.

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Unfortunately both sides have duped people into choosing between a gang of thieves in Brussels and a gang of thieves at Westminster...

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and what other choice is there??

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To give both gangs (who are actually the same gang) a kick up the backside! Unfortunately that takes a lot of work...

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The temptation to stick up two fingers to Cameron and friends is irresistible, so perhaps somebody resident in the UK should vote "leave" and then move straight out to Italy, where everything's better, particularly the people. Or France or Spain or wherever. The stews of Tangiers beckon. :cool:

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Brexit continues to gain ground. Markets pricing in a 36% chance of a 'Leave' victory. William Hill for example, pricing similar 36% probability up from 12% three weeks ago.

http://www.cityam.com/243160/william...odds-on-brexit

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BREXIT COULD LEAD TO DOWNFALL OF WESTERN CIVILISATION :eek:

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Amazing.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/donald...-brexit-2016-6

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Western (and world) civilisation is indeed threatened by the worst economic crisis for 200 years, basically since capitalism began. Brexit could be a contributing cause, but only because the whole structure is headed for collapse anyway. In or out, there are hard times ahead. We should start looking for an alternative rather than running after illusory solutions (stay or leave).
I hope the vote will be to stay, but only because I don't want to give an extra push towards collapse. The sun's not going to shine just because of that vote.

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A few minutes ago -

EU referendum: leave takes six-point lead in Guardian/ICM polls | Politics | The Guardian

Think I'll go and hide in the shed.