India and the Wars
Mar 5th 2019 | 1:30 am
#586
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Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=EMR;12648281]
1) So events that did happen in your mind did not happen if someone disagrees with the vast majority.
Please give an example from the period of British rule to support your argument
2) Unlike you I am always prepared to learn something new.
3)The film of Modi smiling and patting the back of a BJP extremist associated with " cow killings " in the recent election campaign was invented by a " biased " BBC in your mind.
You do realise how that makes you look..
!) I do not understand what you are saying!!
2) You are unwilling to accept that people who live and experience happenings might know more than you. You also think that anything you have read must be the definitive truth.
3) I asked you the name of the BJP extremist -----you did not reply. So how can I comment?
I did not say that the BBC "invented" things. It picks and chooses and put its own 'slant' and interpretation on much that I have seen.
1) So events that did happen in your mind did not happen if someone disagrees with the vast majority.
Please give an example from the period of British rule to support your argument
2) Unlike you I am always prepared to learn something new.
3)The film of Modi smiling and patting the back of a BJP extremist associated with " cow killings " in the recent election campaign was invented by a " biased " BBC in your mind.
You do realise how that makes you look..
2) You are unwilling to accept that people who live and experience happenings might know more than you. You also think that anything you have read must be the definitive truth.
3) I asked you the name of the BJP extremist -----you did not reply. So how can I comment?
I did not say that the BBC "invented" things. It picks and chooses and put its own 'slant' and interpretation on much that I have seen.
Mar 5th 2019 | 1:32 am
#587
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Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=Bipat;12648257]
1) I didn't say Nehru was anti-Hindu, that was the 'gossip' of the time. It was a view of those surrounding the political leaders of the time and reported in newspapers-----
-EMR there were local newspapers!!!! I have seen myself reprints of the cartoons about Nehru and Edwina!!!
EMR, Nehru's fathers' activities were well known. We have all the books/ writings of Nehru--collected by OH. Nehru was not particularly religious in any way.
You always call Modi a "Hindu hardliner"-----what actually is your definition of a Hindu hardliner????
2) I am not particularly interested in the history of Hyderabad. I have read brief details. Present day Hyderabad/Telangana is more important.
3) Access to the coast was and is always important. That was why our particular town had a large contingent of British soldiers., for defence. Although the port wasn't used for major trade.
My point to Morpeth was that the people of Goa and those over the borders (including our town) were the same communities/families etc. So there was no incursion by 'India' the Goan people just took over managing their own lives.
Both Hitler and Putin use/used the same justification- and you may wish to look up the word incursion or invasion- neither of which necessary unjustified by definition nor was that the point I had made which patiently I have tried to explain to you..
1) I didn't say Nehru was anti-Hindu, that was the 'gossip' of the time. It was a view of those surrounding the political leaders of the time and reported in newspapers-----
-EMR there were local newspapers!!!! I have seen myself reprints of the cartoons about Nehru and Edwina!!!
EMR, Nehru's fathers' activities were well known. We have all the books/ writings of Nehru--collected by OH. Nehru was not particularly religious in any way.
You always call Modi a "Hindu hardliner"-----what actually is your definition of a Hindu hardliner????
2) I am not particularly interested in the history of Hyderabad. I have read brief details. Present day Hyderabad/Telangana is more important.
3) Access to the coast was and is always important. That was why our particular town had a large contingent of British soldiers., for defence. Although the port wasn't used for major trade.
My point to Morpeth was that the people of Goa and those over the borders (including our town) were the same communities/families etc. So there was no incursion by 'India' the Goan people just took over managing their own lives.
Mar 5th 2019 | 1:37 am
#588
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Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=Bipat;12648298]
!) I do not understand what you are saying!!
2) You are unwilling to accept that people who live and experience happenings might know more than you. You also think that anything you have read must be the definitive truth.
3) I asked you the name of the BJP extremist -----you did not reply. So how can I comment?
I did not say that the BBC "invented" things. It picks and chooses and put its own 'slant' and interpretation on much that I have seen.
It is obvious you have comprehension problems.
This whole thread would have died long ago if you understood facts and recorded history,
I will ask you again, please give an example where recorded history of India is wrong..
Those whose commentaries, eyewitness reports from the time are recorded history, are they all wrong and your " folk memories " right.
Dewasi, BJP " cow " minister kicked out by the Rajahstan electorate..
!) I do not understand what you are saying!!
2) You are unwilling to accept that people who live and experience happenings might know more than you. You also think that anything you have read must be the definitive truth.
3) I asked you the name of the BJP extremist -----you did not reply. So how can I comment?
I did not say that the BBC "invented" things. It picks and chooses and put its own 'slant' and interpretation on much that I have seen.
It is obvious you have comprehension problems.
This whole thread would have died long ago if you understood facts and recorded history,
I will ask you again, please give an example where recorded history of India is wrong..
Those whose commentaries, eyewitness reports from the time are recorded history, are they all wrong and your " folk memories " right.
Dewasi, BJP " cow " minister kicked out by the Rajahstan electorate..
Last edited by EMR; Mar 5th 2019 at 1:40 am.
Mar 5th 2019 | 2:07 am
#589
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Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=morpeth;12648284]
Morpeth I am not going to discuss further the British Raj----countless books have been written on the subject ------although there are still millions of Indian people who remember it, it will soon be 'just' history for all.
There are also British people and other nationalities with experience there at the time.
1) For you the words 'liberated' and 'rescue' may be laughable, for those affected they are not. I disagree with you that 'justification' is not important.
You can’t be serious that the inhabitants of Goa were so maltreated in comparison to their Indian neighbors in any material way to say they need to be ‘rescued’. Again language seems to be an issue- I was discussing undeniable fact that India invaded Goa with force- and specifically, and repeatedly, notwithstanding international law, I wasn’t discussing whether justified or not.
You equate the 'invasion' of neighboring territories with that of invading and ruling a territory on the other side of the world.
As would anyone! If geographical distance the only criteria for judging the merits of an occupying force, you are fairly consistent with the foreign policy of Nazi German or Putin’s Russia.
The former, there may or may not be justification; whether or not there is or is not is open to debate on each territory concerned. China and Tibet for example. China and activities on the Indian border at this present time.
Whether India is at fault or not depends on each territory in question you cannot have an overall view of all such events.
I actually agree that each of the territories India forcefully took over had some dissimilarities of circumstance however again, you make up an argument to argue against because you are reluctant to face simple facts (a) India used armed force (b) and is no different than the British or other countries that have used armed force.
Which brings to Kashmir-----what is never brought out in foreign views ---is the relationship of Nehru with Muslim community, his father had numerous Muslim 'concubines!' so Nehru had a number of Muslim half-brothers. The talk was at the time, for those who favored a different PM, was that he was anti-Hindu-------Gandhi disagreed---all this, is 'water under the bridge'.
Interesting trivia to be sure.
2) Goa I disagree totally with your view because I DO have knowledge----not just 'book reading'.
Since you have personal knowledge you know India by force of arms took over Goa, and contrary to international law and UN charter (which as far as I know India signed).
I don’t know why simple facts are so difficult for you.
"Probablyâ€!---"More affinity culturally and ethnically with their neighbors" is probably an all-time understatement!!!!! They were the same communities, same families as those outside the borders.
That I try to be as precise as I can and not make wild assertions without evidence, that seemed an appropriate word.
The justification of force in the year 1962 after all negotiations had failed was surely a 'liberation' rather than an invasion.
You really should buy a dictionary. For example can a country invade to liberate of course? Is there anything to show Goa wasn’t invaded- not one shred of logic or earning in the English language. And since India steadfastly refused to hold a referendum that also casts in doubt it was ‘liberated’.
At that stage other Indian people didn't move into Goa, the inhabitants just continued as they were but in charge of their own affairs-----they were then independent so a referendum regarding this was not really an issue.
Absurd! How can Goa be independent when India became the sovereign power? With all due respect a dictionary would be helpful.
Morpeth it doesn't need a dictionary to understand a few simple FACTS.
A group of people consisting of families and communitues have a border/barrier put between them. When this barrier is removed they don't need a referendum to decide to continue as one group of people.
They were all Indian people, the people of Goa were not Portuguese.
The 'invasion' if you must call it that was a minimum force to ensure the Portuguese left. (I have a letter, hand written describing the ships arriving at the south, and subsequent events------probably has some 'recorded history value.
)
India is a federation of States, they have local rule.
Morpeth I am not going to discuss further the British Raj----countless books have been written on the subject ------although there are still millions of Indian people who remember it, it will soon be 'just' history for all.
There are also British people and other nationalities with experience there at the time.
1) For you the words 'liberated' and 'rescue' may be laughable, for those affected they are not. I disagree with you that 'justification' is not important.
You can’t be serious that the inhabitants of Goa were so maltreated in comparison to their Indian neighbors in any material way to say they need to be ‘rescued’. Again language seems to be an issue- I was discussing undeniable fact that India invaded Goa with force- and specifically, and repeatedly, notwithstanding international law, I wasn’t discussing whether justified or not.
You equate the 'invasion' of neighboring territories with that of invading and ruling a territory on the other side of the world.
As would anyone! If geographical distance the only criteria for judging the merits of an occupying force, you are fairly consistent with the foreign policy of Nazi German or Putin’s Russia.
The former, there may or may not be justification; whether or not there is or is not is open to debate on each territory concerned. China and Tibet for example. China and activities on the Indian border at this present time.
Whether India is at fault or not depends on each territory in question you cannot have an overall view of all such events.
I actually agree that each of the territories India forcefully took over had some dissimilarities of circumstance however again, you make up an argument to argue against because you are reluctant to face simple facts (a) India used armed force (b) and is no different than the British or other countries that have used armed force.
Which brings to Kashmir-----what is never brought out in foreign views ---is the relationship of Nehru with Muslim community, his father had numerous Muslim 'concubines!' so Nehru had a number of Muslim half-brothers. The talk was at the time, for those who favored a different PM, was that he was anti-Hindu-------Gandhi disagreed---all this, is 'water under the bridge'.
Interesting trivia to be sure.
2) Goa I disagree totally with your view because I DO have knowledge----not just 'book reading'.
Since you have personal knowledge you know India by force of arms took over Goa, and contrary to international law and UN charter (which as far as I know India signed).
I don’t know why simple facts are so difficult for you.
"Probablyâ€!---"More affinity culturally and ethnically with their neighbors" is probably an all-time understatement!!!!! They were the same communities, same families as those outside the borders.
That I try to be as precise as I can and not make wild assertions without evidence, that seemed an appropriate word.
The justification of force in the year 1962 after all negotiations had failed was surely a 'liberation' rather than an invasion.
You really should buy a dictionary. For example can a country invade to liberate of course? Is there anything to show Goa wasn’t invaded- not one shred of logic or earning in the English language. And since India steadfastly refused to hold a referendum that also casts in doubt it was ‘liberated’.
At that stage other Indian people didn't move into Goa, the inhabitants just continued as they were but in charge of their own affairs-----they were then independent so a referendum regarding this was not really an issue.
Absurd! How can Goa be independent when India became the sovereign power? With all due respect a dictionary would be helpful.
A group of people consisting of families and communitues have a border/barrier put between them. When this barrier is removed they don't need a referendum to decide to continue as one group of people.
They were all Indian people, the people of Goa were not Portuguese.
The 'invasion' if you must call it that was a minimum force to ensure the Portuguese left. (I have a letter, hand written describing the ships arriving at the south, and subsequent events------probably has some 'recorded history value.
) India is a federation of States, they have local rule.
Mar 5th 2019 | 2:19 am
#590
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Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=Bipat;12648326]
Morpeth it doesn't need a dictionary to understand a few simple FACTS.
A group of people consisting of families and communitues have a border/barrier put between them. When this barrier is removed they don't need a referendum to decide to continue as one group of people.
They were all Indian people, the people of Goa were not Portuguese.
The 'invasion' if you must call it that was a minimum force to ensure the Portuguese left. (I have a letter, hand written describing the ships arriving at the south, and subsequent events------probably has some 'recorded history value.)
India is a federation of States, they have local rule.
Remind us how many Portuguese died, from the handfull of those Potuguese military present at the time and from the hugely superior Indian forces.
22 Indian, 30 Portuguese.
Your letter probably ignores the facts and reality of the invasion.
You mean just like UK county council's.
Morpeth it doesn't need a dictionary to understand a few simple FACTS.
A group of people consisting of families and communitues have a border/barrier put between them. When this barrier is removed they don't need a referendum to decide to continue as one group of people.
They were all Indian people, the people of Goa were not Portuguese.
The 'invasion' if you must call it that was a minimum force to ensure the Portuguese left. (I have a letter, hand written describing the ships arriving at the south, and subsequent events------probably has some 'recorded history value.
)India is a federation of States, they have local rule.
22 Indian, 30 Portuguese.
Your letter probably ignores the facts and reality of the invasion.
You mean just like UK county council's.
Last edited by EMR; Mar 5th 2019 at 2:44 am.
Mar 5th 2019 | 2:45 am
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Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=EMR;12648333]
I said if you ever read-----the south landing.
The Indian ships landed in three areas --north south and middle.
There was obviously good warning and Salazar could have done the obvious thing and withdrawn his people.
(Unarmed activists had previously entered Goa and were killed by Portuguese police.)
(What do you mean by UK's County Councils?? The letter I mentioned was from an individual watching the proceedings----(there were not e-mails in 1961!!)
I said if you ever read-----the south landing.
The Indian ships landed in three areas --north south and middle.
There was obviously good warning and Salazar could have done the obvious thing and withdrawn his people.
(Unarmed activists had previously entered Goa and were killed by Portuguese police.)
(What do you mean by UK's County Councils?? The letter I mentioned was from an individual watching the proceedings----(there were not e-mails in 1961!!)
Last edited by Bipat; Mar 5th 2019 at 2:48 am.
Mar 5th 2019 | 3:03 am
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Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=Bipat;12648346]
I said if you ever read-----the south landing.
The Indian ships landed in three areas --north south and middle.
There was obviously good warning and Salazar could have done the obvious thing and withdrawn his people.
(Unarmed activists had previously entered Goa and were killed by Portuguese police.)
(What do you mean by UK's County Councils?? The letter I mentioned was from an individual watching the proceedings----(there were not e-mails in 1961!!)
Armed activists from extreme Hindhu groups had in earlier years entered Portuguese territory and killed Portuguese policemen..
What does the south landing have to do with anything.
It was an invasion with over 50 dead.
There was an earlier evacuation ship, do you know anything or just read letters from relatives..
I keep forgetting you do not follow your own posts.
I likened the authority and independence of Indian states to UK county council's.,
Indian states are just bigger .
I said if you ever read-----the south landing.
The Indian ships landed in three areas --north south and middle.
There was obviously good warning and Salazar could have done the obvious thing and withdrawn his people.
(Unarmed activists had previously entered Goa and were killed by Portuguese police.)
(What do you mean by UK's County Councils?? The letter I mentioned was from an individual watching the proceedings----(there were not e-mails in 1961!!)
What does the south landing have to do with anything.
It was an invasion with over 50 dead.
There was an earlier evacuation ship, do you know anything or just read letters from relatives..
I keep forgetting you do not follow your own posts.
I likened the authority and independence of Indian states to UK county council's.,
Indian states are just bigger .
Last edited by EMR; Mar 5th 2019 at 3:15 am.
Mar 5th 2019 | 3:22 am
#593
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Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=EMR;12648307]
It is obvious you have comprehension problems.
This whole thread would have died long ago if you understood facts and recorded history,
I will ask you again, please give an example where recorded history of India is wrong..
Those whose commentaries, eyewitness reports from the time are recorded history, are they all wrong and your " folk memories " right.
Dewasi, BJP " cow " minister kicked out by the Rajahstan electorate..
I think EMR you have the comprehension problem!
I think you are getting mixed up about the criminals involved in the 'cow vigilantes episodes.
The Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje had appointed Dewasi as a Minister for cow welfare.
(There is a lot of neglect and cruelty of cows in India generally-----something you and Morpeth in your search for negatives never mention).
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/58915665.cms
Raje was controversial for many reasons. Love affairs etc,. They were both unpopular and lost their seats
The fact of Modi putting a hand on the shoulder of Dewasi has nothing whatsoever to do with supporting the criminals, only presumably because of his work with cow welfare.
EMR what you fail to understand is that what you think of as a "FACT" is just your own opinion.
What are "eye witness reports" of the time, if not "Folk memory"?
What do you define as "recorded" ? -----just because a particular historian writes about a situation and with a particular view does not make it an absolute Fact that others may never disagree.
Do you accept everything 'recorded' in the UK Daily Mail as recorded history?
EMR ---this thread started as a topic about Indian soldiers in WW1 and 2.
I only reply to your posts to correct inaccuracies.
Would you not accept that people born and living in a country know a little more about it than someone who has never set foot there??
EMR you (and Morpeth) stalk my posts and will put a negative reply to anything I write. I can have an idea of Morpeth's motive ---However---I do not know yours!!!
It is obvious you have comprehension problems.
This whole thread would have died long ago if you understood facts and recorded history,
I will ask you again, please give an example where recorded history of India is wrong..
Those whose commentaries, eyewitness reports from the time are recorded history, are they all wrong and your " folk memories " right.
Dewasi, BJP " cow " minister kicked out by the Rajahstan electorate..
I think EMR you have the comprehension problem!
I think you are getting mixed up about the criminals involved in the 'cow vigilantes episodes.
The Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje had appointed Dewasi as a Minister for cow welfare.
(There is a lot of neglect and cruelty of cows in India generally-----something you and Morpeth in your search for negatives never mention).
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/58915665.cms
Raje was controversial for many reasons. Love affairs etc,. They were both unpopular and lost their seats
The fact of Modi putting a hand on the shoulder of Dewasi has nothing whatsoever to do with supporting the criminals, only presumably because of his work with cow welfare.
EMR what you fail to understand is that what you think of as a "FACT" is just your own opinion.
What are "eye witness reports" of the time, if not "Folk memory"?
What do you define as "recorded" ? -----just because a particular historian writes about a situation and with a particular view does not make it an absolute Fact that others may never disagree.
Do you accept everything 'recorded' in the UK Daily Mail as recorded history?
EMR ---this thread started as a topic about Indian soldiers in WW1 and 2.
I only reply to your posts to correct inaccuracies.
Would you not accept that people born and living in a country know a little more about it than someone who has never set foot there??
EMR you (and Morpeth) stalk my posts and will put a negative reply to anything I write. I can have an idea of Morpeth's motive ---However---I do not know yours!!!
Mar 5th 2019 | 3:35 am
#594
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Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=EMR;12648354]
Armed activists from extreme Hindhu groups had in earlier years entered Portuguese territory and killed Portuguese policemen..
What does the south landing have to do with anything.
It was an invasion with over 50 dead.
There was an earlier evacuation ship, do you know anything or just read letters from relatives..
I keep forgetting you do not follow your own posts.
I likened the authority and independence of Indian states to UK county council's.,
Indian states are just bigger .
You added your mention of County Councils after my description of a letter.
Indian State rule is absolutely nothing like a UK County Council.
The South landing was the one that could be seen by the letter writer. That I just told you.
What is the point of explaining anything to you, you will just turn it into your own negative view.
Just two questions ----Why in your eyes are ALL Hindu groups extremists. I asked you before what is your definition of a Hindu extremist?
Just one more question ---what is the justification of Portuguese police being in charge of Konkani coastal people ?????
Armed activists from extreme Hindhu groups had in earlier years entered Portuguese territory and killed Portuguese policemen..
What does the south landing have to do with anything.
It was an invasion with over 50 dead.
There was an earlier evacuation ship, do you know anything or just read letters from relatives..
I keep forgetting you do not follow your own posts.
I likened the authority and independence of Indian states to UK county council's.,
Indian states are just bigger .
Indian State rule is absolutely nothing like a UK County Council.
The South landing was the one that could be seen by the letter writer. That I just told you.
What is the point of explaining anything to you, you will just turn it into your own negative view.
Just two questions ----Why in your eyes are ALL Hindu groups extremists. I asked you before what is your definition of a Hindu extremist?
Just one more question ---what is the justification of Portuguese police being in charge of Konkani coastal people ?????
Mar 5th 2019 | 3:49 am
#595
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Posts: 26,724
Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=Bipat;12648369]
I think EMR you have the comprehension problem!
I think you are getting mixed up about the criminals involved in the 'cow vigilantes episodes.
The Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje had appointed Dewasi as a Minister for cow welfare.
(There is a lot of neglect and cruelty of cows in India generally-----something you and Morpeth in your search for negatives never mention).
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/58915665.cms
Raje was controversial for many reasons. Love affairs etc,. They were both unpopular and lost their seats
The fact of Modi putting a hand on the shoulder of Dewasi has nothing whatsoever to do with supporting the criminals, only presumably because of his work with cow welfare.
EMR what you fail to understand is that what you think of as a "FACT" is just your own opinion.
What are "eye witness reports" of the time, if not "Folk memory"?
What do you define as "recorded" ? -----just because a particular historian writes about a situation and with a particular view does not make it an absolute Fact that others may never disagree.
Do you accept everything 'recorded' in the UK Daily Mail as recorded history?
EMR ---this thread started as a topic about Indian soldiers in WW1 and 2.
I only reply to your posts to correct inaccuracies.
Would you not accept that people born and living in a country know a little more about it than someone who has never set foot there??
EMR you (and Morpeth) stalk my posts and will put a negative reply to anything I write. I can have an idea of Morpeth's motive ---However---I do not know yours!!!
My motive, I like discussions based on fact , not fantasy, diversion and rambling..
I have this very distant faint hope that one-day you will enter a thread and debate facts, not your peculiar view of life and events.
How do you view the quote from one BJP minister that beef eaters should move to Pakistan, just one of many from the extreme Hindhu wing of the party., comments that stir up extremists to kill their fellow Indians.
I think EMR you have the comprehension problem!
I think you are getting mixed up about the criminals involved in the 'cow vigilantes episodes.
The Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje had appointed Dewasi as a Minister for cow welfare.
(There is a lot of neglect and cruelty of cows in India generally-----something you and Morpeth in your search for negatives never mention).
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/58915665.cms
Raje was controversial for many reasons. Love affairs etc,. They were both unpopular and lost their seats
The fact of Modi putting a hand on the shoulder of Dewasi has nothing whatsoever to do with supporting the criminals, only presumably because of his work with cow welfare.
EMR what you fail to understand is that what you think of as a "FACT" is just your own opinion.
What are "eye witness reports" of the time, if not "Folk memory"?
What do you define as "recorded" ? -----just because a particular historian writes about a situation and with a particular view does not make it an absolute Fact that others may never disagree.
Do you accept everything 'recorded' in the UK Daily Mail as recorded history?
EMR ---this thread started as a topic about Indian soldiers in WW1 and 2.
I only reply to your posts to correct inaccuracies.
Would you not accept that people born and living in a country know a little more about it than someone who has never set foot there??
EMR you (and Morpeth) stalk my posts and will put a negative reply to anything I write. I can have an idea of Morpeth's motive ---However---I do not know yours!!!
I have this very distant faint hope that one-day you will enter a thread and debate facts, not your peculiar view of life and events.
How do you view the quote from one BJP minister that beef eaters should move to Pakistan, just one of many from the extreme Hindhu wing of the party., comments that stir up extremists to kill their fellow Indians.
Mar 5th 2019 | 4:49 am
#596
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Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=EMR;12648389]
My motive, I like discussions based on fact , not fantasy, diversion and rambling..
I have this very distant faint hope that one-day you will enter a thread and debate facts, not your peculiar view of life and events.
How do you view the quote from one BJP minister that beef eaters should move to Pakistan, just one of many from the extreme Hindhu wing of the party., comments that stir up extremists to kill their fellow Indians.
EMR----what you consider "facts" are often just your opinions. Just because you read something in a particular book does not make it an incontrovertible 'fact'.
Because a person doesn't agree with you does not give you the right to describe them as a fantasist, incapable of comprehension, a peculiar view of life etc etc-----
They just don't happen to agree with YOU.
Any extra supporting information given to you from 'on the ground' knowledge and experience you describe as "diversion"---"rambling".
Minister Naqvi promotes a ban on all cattle slaughter -----his remark about Beef eaters going to Pakistan was unfortunate.
Probably as stupid as the Muslim leader who suggested importing Jersey cows for slaughter as they are "foreign" and therefore killing them won't matter to Hindus!!!!!!
EMR ------many Hindus feel strongly about cattle slaughter just as many UK people feel strongly about horse slaughter, calf and deer slaughter.
Horse meat is eaten in France, so you could say go there if you want to eat it!!
EMR----- killing other people is murder whatever the so-called reasoning behind it ----just the same as it is in the UK
My motive, I like discussions based on fact , not fantasy, diversion and rambling..
I have this very distant faint hope that one-day you will enter a thread and debate facts, not your peculiar view of life and events.
How do you view the quote from one BJP minister that beef eaters should move to Pakistan, just one of many from the extreme Hindhu wing of the party., comments that stir up extremists to kill their fellow Indians.
Because a person doesn't agree with you does not give you the right to describe them as a fantasist, incapable of comprehension, a peculiar view of life etc etc-----
They just don't happen to agree with YOU.
Any extra supporting information given to you from 'on the ground' knowledge and experience you describe as "diversion"---"rambling".
Minister Naqvi promotes a ban on all cattle slaughter -----his remark about Beef eaters going to Pakistan was unfortunate.
Probably as stupid as the Muslim leader who suggested importing Jersey cows for slaughter as they are "foreign" and therefore killing them won't matter to Hindus!!!!!!
EMR ------many Hindus feel strongly about cattle slaughter just as many UK people feel strongly about horse slaughter, calf and deer slaughter.
Horse meat is eaten in France, so you could say go there if you want to eat it!!
EMR----- killing other people is murder whatever the so-called reasoning behind it ----just the same as it is in the UK
Mar 5th 2019 | 5:04 am
#597
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Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=Bipat;12648413]
EMR----what you consider "facts" are often just your opinions. Just because you read something in a particular book does not make it an incontrovertible 'fact'.
Because a person doesn't agree with you does not give you the right to describe them as a fantasist, incapable of comprehension, a peculiar view of life etc etc-----
They just don't happen to agree with YOU.
Any extra supporting information given to you from 'on the ground' knowledge and experience you describe as "diversion"---"rambling".
Minister Naqvi promotes a ban on all cattle slaughter -----his remark about Beef eaters going to Pakistan was unfortunate.
Probably as stupid as the Muslim leader who suggested importing Jersey cows for slaughter as they are "foreign" and therefore killing them won't matter to Hindus!!!!!!
EMR ------many Hindus feel strongly about cattle slaughter just as many UK people feel strongly about horse slaughter, calf and deer slaughter.
Horse meat is eaten in France, so you could say go there if you want to eat it!!
EMR----- killing other people is murder whatever the so-called reasoning behind it ----just the same as it is in the UK
You compare the views of extreme Hindhus , supporters of cow killers with a Muslim suggesting importing Jersey cows.
Now I know you live in la la land.
The views of those BJP ministers confirms that It is not a party that believes all Induans equal and that all beliefs and practices should be respected.
Maybe you can tell us how many have been sacked and dismissed from the party.
Facts are facts , you seem unable to comprehend that which is why any discussion with you, goes, on and on and on.
EMR----what you consider "facts" are often just your opinions. Just because you read something in a particular book does not make it an incontrovertible 'fact'.
Because a person doesn't agree with you does not give you the right to describe them as a fantasist, incapable of comprehension, a peculiar view of life etc etc-----
They just don't happen to agree with YOU.
Any extra supporting information given to you from 'on the ground' knowledge and experience you describe as "diversion"---"rambling".
Minister Naqvi promotes a ban on all cattle slaughter -----his remark about Beef eaters going to Pakistan was unfortunate.
Probably as stupid as the Muslim leader who suggested importing Jersey cows for slaughter as they are "foreign" and therefore killing them won't matter to Hindus!!!!!!
EMR ------many Hindus feel strongly about cattle slaughter just as many UK people feel strongly about horse slaughter, calf and deer slaughter.
Horse meat is eaten in France, so you could say go there if you want to eat it!!
EMR----- killing other people is murder whatever the so-called reasoning behind it ----just the same as it is in the UK
Now I know you live in la la land.
The views of those BJP ministers confirms that It is not a party that believes all Induans equal and that all beliefs and practices should be respected.
Maybe you can tell us how many have been sacked and dismissed from the party.
Facts are facts , you seem unable to comprehend that which is why any discussion with you, goes, on and on and on.
Mar 5th 2019 | 5:22 am
#598
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Posts: 21,295
Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=EMR;12648422]
You compare the views of extreme Hindhus , supporters of cow killers with a Muslim suggesting importing Jersey cows.
Now I know you live in la la land.
The views of those BJP ministers confirms that It is not a party that believes all Induans equal and that all beliefs and practices should be respected.
Maybe you can tell us how many have been sacked and dismissed from the party.
Facts are facts , you seem unable to comprehend that which is why any discussion with you, goes, on and on and on.
EMR do NOT equate those Hindus who want beef slaughter stopped, with those who commit murder. The latter are criminal and are dealt with as such.
The Muslim person suggested importing Jersey cows specifically for slaughter as being 'foreign' he thought it wouldn't matter to Hindus. FACT---- If that is not stupid what is????
We were discussing ONE BJP Minister. FACT
Should the views of those in the UK that want to eat horse meat be respected??? Should supermarkets be compelled to sell it? QUESTION.
I do not have figures at the moment for the number of ministers sacked, I will look it up when nothing else to do!
EMR--- question for you, how do you think the BJP would be in power without an increased Muslim vote??
EMR if you think that you are the world expert on everything and every opinion you utter is a "FACT". Could I suggest you don't bother to reply to the posts of others.
You compare the views of extreme Hindhus , supporters of cow killers with a Muslim suggesting importing Jersey cows.
Now I know you live in la la land.
The views of those BJP ministers confirms that It is not a party that believes all Induans equal and that all beliefs and practices should be respected.
Maybe you can tell us how many have been sacked and dismissed from the party.
Facts are facts , you seem unable to comprehend that which is why any discussion with you, goes, on and on and on.
The Muslim person suggested importing Jersey cows specifically for slaughter as being 'foreign' he thought it wouldn't matter to Hindus. FACT---- If that is not stupid what is????
We were discussing ONE BJP Minister. FACT
Should the views of those in the UK that want to eat horse meat be respected??? Should supermarkets be compelled to sell it? QUESTION.
I do not have figures at the moment for the number of ministers sacked, I will look it up when nothing else to do!
EMR--- question for you, how do you think the BJP would be in power without an increased Muslim vote??
EMR if you think that you are the world expert on everything and every opinion you utter is a "FACT". Could I suggest you don't bother to reply to the posts of others.
Mar 5th 2019 | 5:30 am
#599
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Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 26,724
Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=Bipat;12648429]
EMR do NOT equate those Hindus who want beef slaughter stopped, with those who commit murder. The latter are criminal and are dealt with as such.
The Muslim person suggested importing Jersey cows specifically for slaughter as being 'foreign' he thought it wouldn't matter to Hindus. FACT---- If that is not stupid what is????
We were discussing ONE BJP Minister. FACT
Should the views of those in the UK that want to eat horse meat be respected??? Should supermarkets be compelled to sell it? QUESTION.
I do not have figures at the moment for the number of ministers sacked, I will look it up when nothing else to do!
EMR--- question for you, how do you think the BJP would be in power without an increased Muslim vote??
EMR if you think that you are the world expert on everything and every opinion you utter is a "FACT". Could I suggest you don't bother to reply to the posts of others.
There are multiple statements from multiple BJP ministers and officials.
If you had any concern about such events you would know that.., Google is your friend or not as in your case..
Higher Muslim vote, self preservation.?, who is voting, those in rural areas where the BJP intimidates or the business community where religion is irrelevant but only money counts.
I am certainly no expert, but I am certainly not a believer in ignorance but in knowledge., maybe you should change your atitude to expanding your knowledge.
Inform me how many meat eaters in the UK have been taken from their homes and fields and murdered by vegetarians.
EMR do NOT equate those Hindus who want beef slaughter stopped, with those who commit murder. The latter are criminal and are dealt with as such.
The Muslim person suggested importing Jersey cows specifically for slaughter as being 'foreign' he thought it wouldn't matter to Hindus. FACT---- If that is not stupid what is????
We were discussing ONE BJP Minister. FACT
Should the views of those in the UK that want to eat horse meat be respected??? Should supermarkets be compelled to sell it? QUESTION.
I do not have figures at the moment for the number of ministers sacked, I will look it up when nothing else to do!
EMR--- question for you, how do you think the BJP would be in power without an increased Muslim vote??
EMR if you think that you are the world expert on everything and every opinion you utter is a "FACT". Could I suggest you don't bother to reply to the posts of others.
If you had any concern about such events you would know that.., Google is your friend or not as in your case..
Higher Muslim vote, self preservation.?, who is voting, those in rural areas where the BJP intimidates or the business community where religion is irrelevant but only money counts.
I am certainly no expert, but I am certainly not a believer in ignorance but in knowledge., maybe you should change your atitude to expanding your knowledge.
Inform me how many meat eaters in the UK have been taken from their homes and fields and murdered by vegetarians.
Last edited by EMR; Mar 5th 2019 at 5:45 am.
Mar 5th 2019 | 6:37 am
#600
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 21,295
Re: India and the Wars
[QUOTE=EMR;12648432]
There are multiple statements from multiple BJP ministers and officials.
If you had any concern about such events you would know that.., Google is your friend or not as in your case..
Higher Muslim vote, self preservation.?, who is voting, those in rural areas where the BJP intimidates or the business community where religion is irrelevant but only money counts.
I am certainly no expert, but I am certainly not a believer in ignorance but in knowledge., maybe you should change your atitude to expanding your knowledge.
Inform me how many meat eaters in the UK have been taken from their homes and fields and murdered by vegetarians.
OK EMR give links to the multiple ministers-----I put so many links to expand your knowledge---you put NONE.
Have you any idea of the Congress actions in elections ---paying for votes etc.
Have you any actual idea about anything regarding Indian politics.
Murder is murder EMR--- a crime----are you saying there are no senseless murders in the UK????
Face it--- EMR you are HINDU-phobic-!!
There are multiple statements from multiple BJP ministers and officials.
If you had any concern about such events you would know that.., Google is your friend or not as in your case..
Higher Muslim vote, self preservation.?, who is voting, those in rural areas where the BJP intimidates or the business community where religion is irrelevant but only money counts.
I am certainly no expert, but I am certainly not a believer in ignorance but in knowledge., maybe you should change your atitude to expanding your knowledge.
Inform me how many meat eaters in the UK have been taken from their homes and fields and murdered by vegetarians.
Have you any idea of the Congress actions in elections ---paying for votes etc.
Have you any actual idea about anything regarding Indian politics.
Murder is murder EMR--- a crime----are you saying there are no senseless murders in the UK????
Face it--- EMR you are HINDU-phobic-!!
