In To-day's Newspapers
May 23rd 2012, 6:38 pm
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The Indian town where female foetuses 'are being fed to dogs to hide rampant gender genocide'Sickening practice exposed in Bede, Maharashtra - Indian state with worst child sex ratio of 801 girls for every 1,000 boys being born
Feeding foetuses to dogs means bodies to not have to be disposed of by official means and hides the true scale of illegal sex-selective abortion
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome...#ixzz1vifeb3Yc
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Just finish it here,’ Shafilea Ahmed’s mother told her husband as they suffocated her with a plastic bag, daughter tells courtYounger sister Alesha broke down in tears as she described the moment Shafilea was allegedly killed for being 'westernised'
Shafilea's eyes were 'really wide... You could tell she was gasping for air', Alesha said
Shafilea 'wet herself because she was struggling so much', jury hears
Shafilea lost 5st after drinking bleach in fear she was going to be left in Pakistan by her family
She went to the bathroom 'and a few minutes later everybody heard a scream,' Alesha said
Shafilea argued with mother after she was seen out of the house without wearing a shawl, court told
Parents Iftikhar and Farzana deny murdering their daughter in 2003
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1vih4Y2so
Both articles traditions!
Feeding foetuses to dogs means bodies to not have to be disposed of by official means and hides the true scale of illegal sex-selective abortion
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome...#ixzz1vifeb3Yc
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Just finish it here,’ Shafilea Ahmed’s mother told her husband as they suffocated her with a plastic bag, daughter tells courtYounger sister Alesha broke down in tears as she described the moment Shafilea was allegedly killed for being 'westernised'
Shafilea's eyes were 'really wide... You could tell she was gasping for air', Alesha said
Shafilea 'wet herself because she was struggling so much', jury hears
Shafilea lost 5st after drinking bleach in fear she was going to be left in Pakistan by her family
She went to the bathroom 'and a few minutes later everybody heard a scream,' Alesha said
Shafilea argued with mother after she was seen out of the house without wearing a shawl, court told
Parents Iftikhar and Farzana deny murdering their daughter in 2003
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1vih4Y2so
Both articles traditions!
Last edited by noni; May 23rd 2012 at 6:45 pm.
May 23rd 2012, 8:01 pm
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
The Indian town where female foetuses 'are being fed to dogs to hide rampant gender genocide'Sickening practice exposed in Bede, Maharashtra - Indian state with worst child sex ratio of 801 girls for every 1,000 boys being born
Feeding foetuses to dogs means bodies to not have to be disposed of by official means and hides the true scale of illegal sex-selective abortion
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome...#ixzz1vifeb3Yc
............................
Just finish it here,’ Shafilea Ahmed’s mother told her husband as they suffocated her with a plastic bag, daughter tells courtYounger sister Alesha broke down in tears as she described the moment Shafilea was allegedly killed for being 'westernised'
Shafilea's eyes were 'really wide... You could tell she was gasping for air', Alesha said
Shafilea 'wet herself because she was struggling so much', jury hears
Shafilea lost 5st after drinking bleach in fear she was going to be left in Pakistan by her family
She went to the bathroom 'and a few minutes later everybody heard a scream,' Alesha said
Shafilea argued with mother after she was seen out of the house without wearing a shawl, court told
Parents Iftikhar and Farzana deny murdering their daughter in 2003
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1vih4Y2so
Both articles traditions!
Feeding foetuses to dogs means bodies to not have to be disposed of by official means and hides the true scale of illegal sex-selective abortion
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome...#ixzz1vifeb3Yc
............................
Just finish it here,’ Shafilea Ahmed’s mother told her husband as they suffocated her with a plastic bag, daughter tells courtYounger sister Alesha broke down in tears as she described the moment Shafilea was allegedly killed for being 'westernised'
Shafilea's eyes were 'really wide... You could tell she was gasping for air', Alesha said
Shafilea 'wet herself because she was struggling so much', jury hears
Shafilea lost 5st after drinking bleach in fear she was going to be left in Pakistan by her family
She went to the bathroom 'and a few minutes later everybody heard a scream,' Alesha said
Shafilea argued with mother after she was seen out of the house without wearing a shawl, court told
Parents Iftikhar and Farzana deny murdering their daughter in 2003
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1vih4Y2so
Both articles traditions!
Noni the first article re. "gender genocide"; this is definitely not "a tradition" but it occurs obviously far to often, mainly in villages where people are very poor.
(Unlike UK which actually has a higher abortion rate but girls and boys).
I suppose in Daily mail terms that means general genocide!!
The second article re. this dreadful crime (if proved) concerns a Pakistani family. (As explained previously Pakistan is a different country to India; as are also Bangaldesh and Sri Lanka in spite of geographical nearness).
The crime concerns forced marriage.
This is illegal in India as opposed to 'arrangement' or 'match-making'.
Forced marriage is certainly not a tradition in India.
(I do not know the law in Pakistan, perhaps you can inform me).
Last edited by Bipat; May 23rd 2012 at 8:09 pm. Reason: spelling
May 23rd 2012, 9:29 pm
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
(As explained previously Pakistan is a different country to India; as are also Bangaldesh and Sri Lanka in spite of geographical nearness).
Tonight dealing with Southall Travel and Barclaycard call centre (India)................. call centre was easiest to understand - just!
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May 23rd 2012, 9:37 pm
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
So you are coming to visit me in Goa! What flight prices did you get?
May 23rd 2012, 9:51 pm
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I don't know if British Rail still has a call centre in India but last time I rang it was beyond awful. It was quicker to drive to a station to ask (a railcard query).
May 24th 2012, 1:38 am
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
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Noni the first article re. "gender genocide"; this is definitely not "a tradition" but it occurs obviously far to often, mainly in villages where people are very poor.
(Unlike UK which actually has a higher abortion rate but girls and boys).
I suppose in Daily mail terms that means general genocide!!
The second article re. this dreadful crime (if proved) concerns a Pakistani family. (As explained previously Pakistan is a different country to India; as are also Bangaldesh and Sri Lanka in spite of geographical nearness).
The crime concerns forced marriage.
This is illegal in India as opposed to 'arrangement' or 'match-making'.
Forced marriage is certainly not a tradition in India.
(I do not know the law in Pakistan, perhaps you can inform me).
Noni the first article re. "gender genocide"; this is definitely not "a tradition" but it occurs obviously far to often, mainly in villages where people are very poor.
(Unlike UK which actually has a higher abortion rate but girls and boys).
I suppose in Daily mail terms that means general genocide!!
The second article re. this dreadful crime (if proved) concerns a Pakistani family. (As explained previously Pakistan is a different country to India; as are also Bangaldesh and Sri Lanka in spite of geographical nearness).
The crime concerns forced marriage.
This is illegal in India as opposed to 'arrangement' or 'match-making'.
Forced marriage is certainly not a tradition in India.
(I do not know the law in Pakistan, perhaps you can inform me).
It may not be a tradition in India but I have personally encountered situations of Indian girls in the UK being forced into marriage and threatened with honour killing should they refuse - and they were most definitely Indian.
I would say it is not about nationaility but more about backward, obsessed or controlling parents in such cases - in some of those cases it concerns blatant racism. In other cases it is about financial arrangements between families - and yes that includes Indian families as well. It happens and happens aplenty, even in the UK.
Certainly there have been a number of cases concerning honour based violence in Indian families - as well as other Asian nationals in the UK.
If you look at the Southall Black Sisters refuges in London and some of the womens refuges in the UK you will find plenty of examples where Asian women have gone into hiding - and an equal number would be Indian as would be Bengali, Pakistani or Bangladeshi etc. It is highly suspected that this number does not reflect the actual number of victims of this type of abuse as it is well known that many do not report things or come forward due to cultural expectations.
Dread - x
May 24th 2012, 4:43 am
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
British rabies victim fights for life: Dog-bite patient in intensive care at top London hospital as family undergo tests
Victim bitten while on holiday in India two months ago
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1vl7qEswo
Victim bitten while on holiday in India two months ago
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1vl7qEswo
May 24th 2012, 6:38 am
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It may not be a tradition in India but I have personally encountered situations of Indian girls in the UK being forced into marriage and threatened with honour killing should they refuse - and they were most definitely Indian.
I would say it is not about nationaility but more about backward, obsessed or controlling parents in such cases - in some of those cases it concerns blatant racism. In other cases it is about financial arrangements between families - and yes that includes Indian families as well. It happens and happens aplenty, even in the UK.
Certainly there have been a number of cases concerning honour based violence in Indian families - as well as other Asian nationals in the UK.
If you look at the Southall Black Sisters refuges in London and some of the womens refuges in the UK you will find plenty of examples where Asian women have gone into hiding - and an equal number would be Indian as would be Bengali, Pakistani or Bangladeshi etc. It is highly suspected that this number does not reflect the actual number of victims of this type of abuse as it is well known that many do not report things or come forward due to cultural expectations.
Dread - x
I would say it is not about nationaility but more about backward, obsessed or controlling parents in such cases - in some of those cases it concerns blatant racism. In other cases it is about financial arrangements between families - and yes that includes Indian families as well. It happens and happens aplenty, even in the UK.
Certainly there have been a number of cases concerning honour based violence in Indian families - as well as other Asian nationals in the UK.
If you look at the Southall Black Sisters refuges in London and some of the womens refuges in the UK you will find plenty of examples where Asian women have gone into hiding - and an equal number would be Indian as would be Bengali, Pakistani or Bangladeshi etc. It is highly suspected that this number does not reflect the actual number of victims of this type of abuse as it is well known that many do not report things or come forward due to cultural expectations.
Dread - x
Also in my work I have come across what I would describe as 'mis-matches' when the girl chose someone on the basis of a photo. (Good looking but brainless to be flippant), but they make the best of it and these marriages can work.
Ordinary Indian people view these cases with the same horror.
My point was that honour based killing is not a tradition in India any more than child cruelty is a tradition in the UK.
May 24th 2012, 7:45 am
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
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Noni the first article re. "gender genocide"; this is definitely not "a tradition" but it occurs obviously far to often, mainly in villages where people are very poor.
(Unlike UK which actually has a higher abortion rate but girls and boys).
I suppose in Daily mail terms that means general genocide!!
Noni the first article re. "gender genocide"; this is definitely not "a tradition" but it occurs obviously far to often, mainly in villages where people are very poor.
(Unlike UK which actually has a higher abortion rate but girls and boys).
I suppose in Daily mail terms that means general genocide!!
May 24th 2012, 8:30 am
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http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/25s3099.html
Out of date; but shows trends; you will see the UK rate of !5.6% and Indian 2.7% this last figure thought to be probably double due to lack of reporting.
The abortion rate in UK is very high latest 2011, 17.5% and one area of London 39.9% !!!! and no excuse because of easily available contraception.
The emotive issue of "throwing to dogs", but throwing in the incinerator, same end result.
I think the main issue in India is aborting girls, but in a very poor family a boy will grow up to work whereas another girl with wedding costs (yes a tradition) can tip the balance of family survival. Not an excuse but one reason.
May 24th 2012, 8:38 am
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This topic was discussed on this thread some time ago. I found the following:
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/25s3099.html
Out of date; but shows trends; you will see the UK rate of !5.6% and Indian 2.7% this last figure thought to be probably double due to lack of reporting.
The abortion rate in UK is very high latest 2011, 17.5% and one area of London 39.9% !!!! and no excuse because of easily available contraception.
The emotive issue of "throwing to dogs", but throwing in the incinerator, same end result.
I think the main issue in India is aborting girls, but in a very poor family a boy will grow up to work whereas another girl with wedding costs (yes a tradition) can tip the balance of family survival. Not an excuse but one reason.
May 24th 2012, 8:48 am
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Noni I despair. Why always this prejudice. Most people in UK can afford condoms, the 'pill' is free. How do you account for UK figures? Is abortion in UK not as "life taking" as abortion in India???
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May 24th 2012, 8:50 am
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May 24th 2012, 8:52 am
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