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Their own Parliament
Different laws
Their own bank notes
A border
Their own language (and I don't mean Gaelic)
The SNP
Men wearing skirts
Strange inedible food

How "foreign" do you want?

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Carry on with your debates, To-day Newspapers is not THAT important, like the Visa threads and Buyer beware.

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This article seems to show where the Portugese decided Hindus weren't so bad when Hindu turned and decided to thrash the Portugese, only stopped by a larger Muslim army, which meant they needed Hindus.

The Portuguese were simultaneously grappling the formidable Marathas with an ascendant Hindu regional power. In 1664, Shivaji the great Maratha leader took Bicholim and Pernem. Bardez and Salcete were captured by his son Sambhaji in 1683. When the Marathas arrived close to Old Goa, the Portuguese collapse seemed imminent. Hurrying to the Basilica of Bom Jesus, the dejected Viceroy prayed to the saint and left the fate of the city in his hands. Miraculously, the Marathas retreated after the Muslim army arrived on the Goan border. The Marathas and the Portuguese inked a treaty in 1739. Peace reigned during the next 50 years and without violence the areas of the new conquests were taken by the Portuguese into Goan territory as a buffer around Old Goa.
http://www.goaholidayhomes.com/info/...orrors-in-goa/
Mentions they had some toilet problems back then:ohmy:
However as the city lacked a sewage system and was situated amongst swampland and unhealthy marshes, it was ravaged by epidemics of typhoid, cholera and malaria and the political threats were along with this. In 1570, the Muslim armies of Deccan sultans besieged Goa.

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Going to shut up now about Goan history, what gave me my opinion in the first place I have tried too challenge, I have tried to look for a positive, with out help I can't see a strong history making Goan. They put up with it, same as they put up with corrupt rule now. This article makes Sir R. F. Burton look like a pussy cat in comparisson: http://www.christianaggression.org/i...&id=1111142225

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No not an argument, but a very important discussion. It is from this particular understanding of Goan history, Goan society, that a cutting insight will make it all too clear why the current situation is causing so many so much grief.

The Brahmin Goan was a key ally to the Portuguese and intermarriage was encouraged between the Portuguese of nobility and high rank and the Hindu Brahmin Goan, and the Goan Catholic converts of high caste. That way a new race was created that planted Europeans into Goa whilst maintaining all the priviliges of Indian culture that come with rank of the caste system. Exceptional Goans with local status, who did not intermarry, maintained all their properties etc, as the Portuguese could not loose their peaceful opposition which would easily turn to a violent future. This particular group benefited the greatest because they received near monopolist commercial access to European (and colonial) markets which they would not otherwise have had.

The minute you grasp this, and then slowly remove the borders of Goa leaving Goa un-managed. What do you get? You know. You are experiencing it first hand.

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All this history! A few years ago I was talking to an old Hindu priest in a temple in Goa and he told me that the British were better than the Portugese because the British did not interfere with their religion.

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Totally agree with you Noni:thumbsup:

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Would like your list of positive reading for Goan, ie outstanding Goans. Not just cooks, which basically I found all over the internet. Where is their, Napoleons, Christopher Columbus,Nelson. Adventurers, Explorers. My opinion of Goan is unless they are bullied, and beaten, they are happy to sit on their balcony drinking kaju still. Don't like to stereotype, but can't find support for other. Out of this the only man of note obviously as I have mentioned In 1664, Shivaji the great Maratha leader, who obviously scared the living daylights out of the Portugese, who befriended the British to keep a garrison, in GOA, as Portugese rule and tyranny, was threatened by Dutch, and French. I just don't understand how a people take to their hearts a man who brought so much doom on them, St, xavier was responsible for having thousands of Goans murdered. I say again Sir R. F. Burton saint or sinner:confused:

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Dont know if anyone saw this in todays Herald.

http://www.oheraldo.in/newscategory/Letters/13

A right legislation
Jerome C Goes, by emailIt seems that anyone trying to sell cookies or make some money for themselves is financing their drug habit

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The writer of that letter is an ignorant man, full of prejudice, and needs to start living in this century !
Another fool on the same letters page complains about having cheerleaders at sports matches.
These people are still living in the dark ages.

Dread - enlightened !
x

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Found some Goan heroes: http://www.goacom.com/culture/history/history4.html
But also some negatives: If I were a real and genuine freedom fighter, I would never accept any
> reward, either Pension or Tamrapatra. My fight for freedom would never be
> for any sort of material reward, my fight for freedom would only be out of
> high principle and high ideology which are unrewardable materially.
> Accepting any material benefit would degrade and disgrace my fight for
> freedom for Goa. My fight for freedom would never be a purchable
> commodity which would cheapen the gravity of my principle. My fight for
> freedom wouldbe out of idelogy and the reward for this idelogical fight
> would be the success of the fight that is freedom. When Goa was invaded
> as stated by the great Goan Fr. Mendonca the then Principal of St. Joseph
> High School, Arpora, Bardez or when Goa was conquered as verdicted by the
> Supreme Court of India or when Goa was annexed by Bharat as stated by many
> of the eminent Goa lover Goans or when Goa was liberated as dubbed by the
> Government of India, I was young but not sucking the breast of my beloved
> mother. Ours was not a family having affiliation to Portugal neither we
> liked the Bharati corrupt regime. Yet we felt Portuguese should go from
> Goa but by driving out European Portuguese we should not allow arriving
> in of Bharati Portuguese - to quote Mahatma Gandhi.
>
> Goan freedom fighters have not got freedom for Goa but it was the gift
> given to them on silver platter by the Nehru's Congress without taking
> into confidence the larger portion of Goa. The freedom on Goa was imposed
> on Goa by Bharati Millitary who during the first few days robbed Goan
> Shops, Houses and raped our females. They are disgraceful Indians and I
> feel ashamed that such people are Goa's liberators. No freedom fighter
> then raised his voice against this mischief nor any genuine freedom
> fighter opposed to the induction into their rank of fake and artificial
> freedom fighters who are swarming with the blessings of BJP, MGP and
> single handedly Prataph Singh Rauji Rane whose word is become a law now.
> It is a shame that we still are having newer freedom fighters.
> A. Veronica Fernandes,
http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@g.../msg41954.html
what a minefield:ohmy:

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It would be fantastic if we could meet up and delve into this subject. It is a massively interesting one, which deserves better detailing and the material is global.

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I'll ignore Johnny Five's post 2236, and instead post the following sent to be by my neighbour in Goa, now back in the UK after a short holiday here.

Perhaps something to be brought up for clarification at the BHC meeting on Friday :-

""This news may interest you.

Regards

Navin

INDIA PLANS TO EASE TOURIST VISA RESTRICTIONS


According to a report in Hindustan Times (March 18, 2010), the Government of India is preparing guidelines which will reverse the existing mandatory two month gap between visits to India.

Instead, a tourist with a multi-entry visa holder will now be allowed to enter India three times as rapidly as he/she wants to, without any questions asked. After the three visits, the prospective visitor will have to cite reasons for making a fourth trip to the country.

Citing security reasons in the wake of David Headley case, the government had tightened the tourist visa regime, insisting a two months' gap between two visits on a tourist visa, which had evoked adverse response from various quarters, including some foreign countries.

"The change in the tourist visa is aimed at helping genuine tourists. But measures are in place to ensure that we don't compromise on security in many manner", said the government spokesman. ""

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Best thing to do with it Iain, but the "news" item from March 18th has been referred to many times I believe?

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So sorry - forgot we are in April!!!!! Old age, or excessive heat here in Goa??:eek: