Would you fly the Canadian flag...?
Jan 29th 2009, 1:28 am
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Re: Would you fly the Canadian flag...?
i see your point, but surely tourists going to england see the flag, see the words, and see the t-shirt as representing their visit to england as a souvenir, not paid up members of the england football team fan club. we recently returned from new york, my daughter bought the obligatory i love(heart) NY t-shirt, and i got the yankees baseball cap, one did not make me think of the other. why would this emblem automatically be football, what about rugby or cricket?
Jan 29th 2009, 1:33 am
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Re: Would you fly the Canadian flag...?
I don't know, as I don't know what your definition is. Based on the following definition from Wikipedia, I believe I understand what the term is referring to.
While precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2, of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
I'm still learning Canadian history. I apologise for not learning it before I came to Canada, but it wasn't a required course when I was at school. I'm sure if one wants to be as broad as possible that Canada isn't the only country to have committed genocide against an ethnic, religious or social group in it's history.
While precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2, of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."
I'm still learning Canadian history. I apologise for not learning it before I came to Canada, but it wasn't a required course when I was at school. I'm sure if one wants to be as broad as possible that Canada isn't the only country to have committed genocide against an ethnic, religious or social group in it's history.
Jan 29th 2009, 1:36 am
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Re: Would you fly the Canadian flag...?
i see your point, but surely tourists going to england see the flag, see the words, and see the t-shirt as representing their visit to england as a souvenir, not paid up members of the england football team fan club. we recently returned from new york, my daughter bought the obligatory i love(heart) NY t-shirt, and i got the yankees baseball cap, one did not make me think of the other. why would this emblem automatically be football, what about rugby or cricket?
England football team logo.
England flag.
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Jan 29th 2009, 1:36 am
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Jan 29th 2009, 1:38 am
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Re: Would you fly the Canadian flag...?
i see your point, but surely tourists going to england see the flag, see the words, and see the t-shirt as representing their visit to england as a souvenir, not paid up members of the england football team fan club. we recently returned from new york, my daughter bought the obligatory i love(heart) NY t-shirt, and i got the yankees baseball cap, one did not make me think of the other. why would this emblem automatically be football, what about rugby or cricket?
Unfortunately, you tend to get a lot of drunken louts in city centre pubs when the football is on, and most bars will have a certain dress code at any time of day- no trainers, no baseball caps, no football gear... even no Burberry. Whilst I have sympathy for those that perhaps dont understand some of the connotations, you cannot have one rule for one, and another rule for someone else. That's one sure fire way to cause trouble.
I agree that a shirt with ENGLAND/Georges cross shouldnt simply equate to football, but unfortunately it does.
Jan 29th 2009, 1:43 am
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Re: Would you fly the Canadian flag...?
Giving into the idiots who use the England flag as their banner just means they win.
Jan 29th 2009, 1:43 am
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Re: Would you fly the Canadian flag...?
I'm still learning Canadian history. I apologise for not learning it before I came to Canada, but it wasn't a required course when I was at school. I'm sure if one wants to be as broad as possible that Canada isn't the only country to have committed genocide against an ethnic, religious or social group in it's history.
Also, I generally think flags are quite gay...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTduy...eature=related
Jan 29th 2009, 1:43 am
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Jan 29th 2009, 1:45 am
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Re: Would you fly the Canadian flag...?
Football, England in particular, tends to attract a certain type of following that you dont get in rugby or cricket. One only has to look back at the riots in France 98 and the dozens of other bouts of hooliganism involving England fans.
Unfortunately, you tend to get a lot of drunken louts in city centre pubs when the football is on, and most bars will have a certain dress code at any time of day- no trainers, no baseball caps, no football gear... even no Burberry. Whilst I have sympathy for those that perhaps dont understand some of the connotations, you cannot have one rule for one, and another rule for someone else. That's one sure fire way to cause trouble.
I agree that a shirt with ENGLAND/Georges cross shouldnt simply equate to football, but unfortunately it does.
Unfortunately, you tend to get a lot of drunken louts in city centre pubs when the football is on, and most bars will have a certain dress code at any time of day- no trainers, no baseball caps, no football gear... even no Burberry. Whilst I have sympathy for those that perhaps dont understand some of the connotations, you cannot have one rule for one, and another rule for someone else. That's one sure fire way to cause trouble.
I agree that a shirt with ENGLAND/Georges cross shouldnt simply equate to football, but unfortunately it does.
Jan 29th 2009, 1:47 am
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Let's be honest, when it comes to genocide (and using the above definition) are there any countries more guilty than England?
Jan 29th 2009, 1:47 am
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quite right, and you are preaching to the converted, i stood on the doors of more pubs on deansgate and city centre manchester, following more football trouble than i care to remember. However, this ingrate on the door got it wrong in my opinion, and it alludes to an earlier point of yobs taking over a symbol for their own ends and ruining it for the rest of us. just because this person has this opinion, does not make it correct, its quite the opposite.
Jan 29th 2009, 1:48 am
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