When are doubts more than that?!
Sep 30th 2013, 8:40 pm
#31
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
See, from reading your posts, you definitely fall into the "why emigrate when life is good" category for me. If you are happy with life where you are, what prompted you to look at emigrating in the first place?
For me, I was always travelling on holiday (although never to Canada before the visa application was submitted!) and was always planning my next trip on the plane home (working for an airline had it's perks). Both my ex and I felt we had done all we could in the UK and wanted a new adventure. My first panic about moving didn't happen until I checked in for my one way flight to Calgary and I left my family at security. My next major melt down was after 6 months here when my parents and sister left saying "not sure when we'll be back". For the 2 years it took waiting to get my PR visa I was anxious to get out here and get started on my new life. For the month between receiving my passport back with shiny visa in to flying out I was on a major high. I didn't cry at any of the leaving get togethers, or when my best childhood friends gave my a photo album that documented our time together.
I am sure I am in the minority feeling this way with no doubts before the move, but me wanting to do this has got me through 7 very challenging years here. I can't imagine moving over just to keep my other half happy if I was in so much doubt myself.
You need a very serious talk with your husband and have a strategy. How long do you give it in Canada before you reassess? The deal I made before coming over with my ex was we would get citizenship so then we always had the choice of leaving and coming back at will.
Emigrating is not easy when it's what you REALLY want, I would never emigrate to support someone else's dream as I cannot imagine the extra stress that would cause and the strain it could put on your relationship.
For me, I was always travelling on holiday (although never to Canada before the visa application was submitted!) and was always planning my next trip on the plane home (working for an airline had it's perks). Both my ex and I felt we had done all we could in the UK and wanted a new adventure. My first panic about moving didn't happen until I checked in for my one way flight to Calgary and I left my family at security. My next major melt down was after 6 months here when my parents and sister left saying "not sure when we'll be back". For the 2 years it took waiting to get my PR visa I was anxious to get out here and get started on my new life. For the month between receiving my passport back with shiny visa in to flying out I was on a major high. I didn't cry at any of the leaving get togethers, or when my best childhood friends gave my a photo album that documented our time together.
I am sure I am in the minority feeling this way with no doubts before the move, but me wanting to do this has got me through 7 very challenging years here. I can't imagine moving over just to keep my other half happy if I was in so much doubt myself.
You need a very serious talk with your husband and have a strategy. How long do you give it in Canada before you reassess? The deal I made before coming over with my ex was we would get citizenship so then we always had the choice of leaving and coming back at will.
Emigrating is not easy when it's what you REALLY want, I would never emigrate to support someone else's dream as I cannot imagine the extra stress that would cause and the strain it could put on your relationship.
I suppose the point in the OP's favour is that as her husband is a GP, it would be relatively easy to reverse a decision to emigrate if it did not work out.
Sep 30th 2013, 8:46 pm
#32
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
The OP will be able to compare that to similar figures and conditions in today's NHS. I can't.
Sep 30th 2013, 9:04 pm
#34
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
Given that you are a Nurse and your OH is a Doctor you will probably be able to have a choice of where to go so why Bracebridge? It certainly wouldn't be my first choice. There are some amazing places to live out here so if you take the plunge choose carefully. There is definitely a link to how settled people are and their chosen location in Canada. If you haven't already done a research trip then I would suggest doing one and exploring at least 3 provinces.
http://www.workingincanada.gc.ca/rep...abs_container2 with NF&L being the highest paid.
I don't think Bracebridge would be my first choice either.
Sep 30th 2013, 9:07 pm
#35
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
Given that you are a Nurse and your OH is a Doctor you will probably be able to have a choice of where to go so why Bracebridge? It certainly wouldn't be my first choice. There are some amazing places to live out here so if you take the plunge choose carefully. There is definitely a link to how settled people are and their chosen location in Canada. If you haven't already done a research trip then I would suggest doing one and exploring at least 3 provinces.
This is not rocket science....scared of what - scared to try, scared to leave, scared of what? You can worry till the cows come home - it wont change the fact that you need to make a decision one way or the other & get on with it.
Scared of getting it wrong for our family and the children.
Do you believe that you are immigrant material & have what it takes to leave the emotions behind for a better life in Canada, or is living in the UK your comfort zone?
Are you decisive, can you take the bull by the horns, are you a go-getter, are you looking for a better or different life than you presently have & want better things for your children that are not possible in the UK?
Why (other than financial) do you want to leave the UK?
Finances are not a major factor in this decision. We originally thought education was better for the children but this is probably not the case. I think long term it will be better for them. I really want to show our son a different way of life, a different way to think about life. I've always wanted to travel, and always saw this as a way to do it. So that when I look back at my life, I can say I did something different. I can push myself, I'm like doing new things. Not comparable but I have done a parachute jump, so I am capable of doing things that scare me. I'm not a go-getter particularly where career is concerned. Neither am I too concerned with fancy houses or cars, I wanted to do something different. Plus I really want to live somewhere it actually snows in winter
Are you able to tell your spouse that you do not want to emigrate & will they go along with your decision or say 'no we are going' - who has the final decision in this matter?
Of course, he has made it easy for me to turn around and say no I can't do it. Actually it doesn't make it easier. It is ultimately my decision.
If you stay in the UK imagine your life 20 years from now
Scared of getting it wrong for our family and the children.
Do you believe that you are immigrant material & have what it takes to leave the emotions behind for a better life in Canada, or is living in the UK your comfort zone?
Are you decisive, can you take the bull by the horns, are you a go-getter, are you looking for a better or different life than you presently have & want better things for your children that are not possible in the UK?
Why (other than financial) do you want to leave the UK?
Finances are not a major factor in this decision. We originally thought education was better for the children but this is probably not the case. I think long term it will be better for them. I really want to show our son a different way of life, a different way to think about life. I've always wanted to travel, and always saw this as a way to do it. So that when I look back at my life, I can say I did something different. I can push myself, I'm like doing new things. Not comparable but I have done a parachute jump, so I am capable of doing things that scare me. I'm not a go-getter particularly where career is concerned. Neither am I too concerned with fancy houses or cars, I wanted to do something different. Plus I really want to live somewhere it actually snows in winter
Are you able to tell your spouse that you do not want to emigrate & will they go along with your decision or say 'no we are going' - who has the final decision in this matter?
Of course, he has made it easy for me to turn around and say no I can't do it. Actually it doesn't make it easier. It is ultimately my decision.
If you stay in the UK imagine your life 20 years from now
Sep 30th 2013, 9:07 pm
#36
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
Nor am I, but there was a recent survey reported on the radio last week which gave the average salary for GPs as $324,000. Note salary, the system where GPs (FPs, Family Practitioners here) were reimbursed on a per patient basis is being or has been phased out, relieving the pressure to bill for as many patients as possible and (hopefully) resulting in doctors spending more time with each patient.
The OP will be able to compare that to similar figures and conditions in today's NHS. I can't.
The OP will be able to compare that to similar figures and conditions in today's NHS. I can't.
NHS salary
http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore...y-for-doctors/
General practitioners
Many general practitioners (GPs) are self employed and hold contracts, either on their own or as part of a Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG). The profit of GPs varies according to the services they provide for their patients and the way they choose to provide these services.
Salaried GPs who are part of a CCG earn between £54,319 to £81,969 dependent on, among other factors, length of service and experience.
versus Canadian GP salary in 2011
Average gross clinical payments to family physicians and specialists in 2010-2011
1. Alberta: $349,655
2. Ontario: $340,020
3. Saskatchewan: $324,342
4. Manitoba: $304,165
5. B.C.:$272,796
6. New Brunswick: $264,299
7. Newfoundland: $260,166
8. Quebec: $253,539
9. Nova Scotia: $250,486
10. P.E.I.: $235,768
Average: $307,482
SOURCE: CIHI
Sep 30th 2013, 9:09 pm
#38
Muskoka, Ontario
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
There are 154 job postings for Family Physicians in Canada at present - mostly BC (101) and Saskatchewan (33).
http://www.workingincanada.gc.ca/rep...abs_container2 with NF&L being the highest paid.
I don't think Bracebridge would be my first choice either.
http://www.workingincanada.gc.ca/rep...abs_container2 with NF&L being the highest paid.
I don't think Bracebridge would be my first choice either.
Sep 30th 2013, 9:10 pm
#39
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
Comparing gross clinical payments to salary is apples to oranges.
Sep 30th 2013, 9:13 pm
#40
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
I need to learn how to highlight when responding. Not2old if you look closely I have replied to your points!!
Sep 30th 2013, 9:13 pm
#41
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
I felt very positive coming here - my husband is canadian and we had no family in the UK. As the time got nearer, i because more wary - i was scared that I was doing the wrong thing. My daughter was 15 and mixing with some people I would have preferred she didnt. She was doing her GCSEs and not really doing much work for them - coming to canada gave her a boost fo her education as she had another 2 years to rebuild her future. This was what drove me forward when the doubts crept in.
It has been a tough year - if I had family in the UK, I may hate been tempted sometimes to go back - but I wasnt happy in the UK when I left, so it would have been for people rather than the country.
My girls were 5, 6 and 15 when we left. They all slotted into the canadian lifestyle very quickly. They were worried about leaving friends etc, but within a few weeks the little ones were getting on with new friends, and a few months layer, so was the 15 year old.
Work was a problem - we have spoken before about this as I am a nurse like you. I didnt work all winter and i felt so frustrated and isolated. No one to speak to - apart from a suoerficial hello in the playground. Even when i started work, it was in homecare, so i was still isolated, but at least busy.
The frustrations of the CNO has been the worst stick beating me down - i am hoping I am on the final stratch with that. I have just been offered a fantastic job in my field of nursing, and that has perked me up no end. I missed my job - and i have often said over the past year that if my UK job and my work colleagues were here, I would be 100% happy.
It is not an easy move, no matter how positive you are about it - i would imagine most people have the same fears. It will be tough for you with your husband trying to get his studying done - i have found making friends here quite difficult - and the 2 that I do see often are not from here. Your husband will be making friends and meeting people through work, so hopefully that will help you to meet people. With your experience, (and contacts) you may be able to get a job in a health centre as recetionist or something along those lines - while waiting for CNO. I would still advise that if you are serious about the move, get in contact with CNO as soon as possible - dont wait ill you get here!
It has been a tough year - if I had family in the UK, I may hate been tempted sometimes to go back - but I wasnt happy in the UK when I left, so it would have been for people rather than the country.
My girls were 5, 6 and 15 when we left. They all slotted into the canadian lifestyle very quickly. They were worried about leaving friends etc, but within a few weeks the little ones were getting on with new friends, and a few months layer, so was the 15 year old.
Work was a problem - we have spoken before about this as I am a nurse like you. I didnt work all winter and i felt so frustrated and isolated. No one to speak to - apart from a suoerficial hello in the playground. Even when i started work, it was in homecare, so i was still isolated, but at least busy.
The frustrations of the CNO has been the worst stick beating me down - i am hoping I am on the final stratch with that. I have just been offered a fantastic job in my field of nursing, and that has perked me up no end. I missed my job - and i have often said over the past year that if my UK job and my work colleagues were here, I would be 100% happy.
It is not an easy move, no matter how positive you are about it - i would imagine most people have the same fears. It will be tough for you with your husband trying to get his studying done - i have found making friends here quite difficult - and the 2 that I do see often are not from here
. Your husband will be making friends and meeting people through work, so hopefully that will help you to meet people. With your experience, (and contacts) you may be able to get a job in a health centre as recetionist or something along those lines - while waiting for CNO. I would still advise that if you are serious about the move, get in contact with CNO as soon as possible - dont wait ill you get here!
Sep 30th 2013, 9:15 pm
#42
Muskoka, Ontario
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
The OP I think mentioned it wasn't about the money, however more money can be had as a GP in Canada
NHS salary
http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore...y-for-doctors/
General practitioners
Many general practitioners (GPs) are self employed and hold contracts, either on their own or as part of a Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG). The profit of GPs varies according to the services they provide for their patients and the way they choose to provide these services.
Salaried GPs who are part of a CCG earn between £54,319 to £81,969 dependent on, among other factors, length of service and experience.
versus Canadian GP salary in 2011
Average gross clinical payments to family physicians and specialists in 2010-2011
1. Alberta: $349,655
2. Ontario: $340,020
3. Saskatchewan: $324,342
4. Manitoba: $304,165
5. B.C.:$272,796
6. New Brunswick: $264,299
7. Newfoundland: $260,166
8. Quebec: $253,539
9. Nova Scotia: $250,486
10. P.E.I.: $235,768
Average: $307,482
SOURCE: CIHI
NHS salary
http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore...y-for-doctors/
General practitioners
Many general practitioners (GPs) are self employed and hold contracts, either on their own or as part of a Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG). The profit of GPs varies according to the services they provide for their patients and the way they choose to provide these services.
Salaried GPs who are part of a CCG earn between £54,319 to £81,969 dependent on, among other factors, length of service and experience.
versus Canadian GP salary in 2011
Average gross clinical payments to family physicians and specialists in 2010-2011
1. Alberta: $349,655
2. Ontario: $340,020
3. Saskatchewan: $324,342
4. Manitoba: $304,165
5. B.C.:$272,796
6. New Brunswick: $264,299
7. Newfoundland: $260,166
8. Quebec: $253,539
9. Nova Scotia: $250,486
10. P.E.I.: $235,768
Average: $307,482
SOURCE: CIHI
It's not about the money, money, money, we don't need your money, money, money, not a huge Jessie J fan, can't remember the rest...
Sep 30th 2013, 9:19 pm
#44
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
Nor am I, but there was a recent survey reported on the radio last week which gave the average salary for GPs as $324,000. Note salary, the system where GPs (FPs, Family Practitioners here) were reimbursed on a per patient basis is being or has been phased out, relieving the pressure to bill for as many patients as possible and (hopefully) resulting in doctors spending more time with each patient.
The OP will be able to compare that to similar figures and conditions in today's NHS. I can't.
The OP will be able to compare that to similar figures and conditions in today's NHS. I can't.
Maybe OP can do it without burning too many bridges and therefore look on it as a trial adventure.
Sep 30th 2013, 9:19 pm
#45
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Re: When are doubts more than that?!
If that's the case, then leave the emotions, kids rugby, pubs, old friends behind & get on with it. Or keep fence sitting.
Once he has his full license, he can work 24/7, make huge amounts of money for you than you could ever spend - big house, big car & every luxury imaginable more than you'd ever have in the UK & the kids can all go to private school & have a live in nanny
And likely you will not have to work in Canada - simply sit back & enjoy life.
Maybe you stay put in the UK & have him come over for a year, get his full license, get settled in ... could that be the solution?
