Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
#646
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
My main concern (and have contacted my MP office) is the Cdn. government restricting the ability to leave the country.
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Perhaps the current low infection rate for travellers is precisely because of the restrictions currently in place.
Only testing on departure and on arrival with no restictions wouldn't be of much use when there's up to 14 days from infection to a positive test..
Let's not go down any political roads on this thread again, thanks.
We have a thread for political comments and concerns regarding Covid - you can find it here: Off Topic Posts from Covid Quarantine Thread
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Only testing on departure and on arrival with no restictions wouldn't be of much use when there's up to 14 days from infection to a positive test..
Let's not go down any political roads on this thread again, thanks.
We have a thread for political comments and concerns regarding Covid - you can find it here: Off Topic Posts from Covid Quarantine Thread
Any further political posts will be moved.
Last edited by Siouxie; Jan 27th 2021 at 4:51 pm.
#648
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Perhaps the current low infection rate for travellers is precisely because of the restrictions currently in place.
Only testing on departure and on arrival with no restictions wouldn't be of much use when there's up to 14 days from infection to a positive test..
Let's not go down any political roads on this thread again, thanks.
We have a thread for political comments and concerns regarding Covid - you can find it here: Off Topic Posts from Covid Quarantine Thread
Any further political posts will be moved.
Only testing on departure and on arrival with no restictions wouldn't be of much use when there's up to 14 days from infection to a positive test..
Let's not go down any political roads on this thread again, thanks.
We have a thread for political comments and concerns regarding Covid - you can find it here: Off Topic Posts from Covid Quarantine Thread
Any further political posts will be moved.
The thread is about quarantine requirements though so i'm not sure why these posts are being considered offtopic?
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Not that i'm required to justify my actions to the internet but you are correct there is that consideration. I'm considering staying in an apartment and not in the family home for the first 2-4 weeks, as well as getting PCR test before leaving Canada as well as on arrival at the airport in Malta. And that's even if I end up going down. We received some good news today that the lung infection has not spread.
My main concern (and have contacted my MP office) is the Cdn. government restricting the ability to leave the country.
My main concern (and have contacted my MP office) is the Cdn. government restricting the ability to leave the country.
As you were so keen to dash over and " get there in time" I hadn't considered you would spend the required tine in quarantine which seems contradictory to the urgency.
Presumably you've considered that you might be in Malta and be needed back here quickly and them be stuck with quarantine here?
it's good news your grandfather's infection hadn't spread, presumably they have ruled out COVID?
#650
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
No you're not required to but as you raised the subject then my commenting is reasonable.
As you were so keen to dash over and " get there in time" I hadn't considered you would spend the required tine in quarantine which seems contradictory to the urgency.
Presumably you've considered that you might be in Malta and be needed back here quickly and them be stuck with quarantine here?
it's good news your grandfather's infection hadn't spread, presumably they have ruled out COVID?
As you were so keen to dash over and " get there in time" I hadn't considered you would spend the required tine in quarantine which seems contradictory to the urgency.
Presumably you've considered that you might be in Malta and be needed back here quickly and them be stuck with quarantine here?
it's good news your grandfather's infection hadn't spread, presumably they have ruled out COVID?
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Perhaps the current low infection rate for travellers is precisely because of the restrictions currently in place.
Only testing on departure and on arrival with no restictions wouldn't be of much use when there's up to 14 days from infection to a positive test..
Let's not go down any political roads on this thread again, thanks.
We have a thread for political comments and concerns regarding Covid - you can find it here: Off Topic Posts from Covid Quarantine Thread
Any further political posts will be moved.
Only testing on departure and on arrival with no restictions wouldn't be of much use when there's up to 14 days from infection to a positive test..
Let's not go down any political roads on this thread again, thanks.
We have a thread for political comments and concerns regarding Covid - you can find it here: Off Topic Posts from Covid Quarantine Thread
Any further political posts will be moved.
At first I thought about politics as well, but in the end, both Alberta and Ontario have a PC premier.
Alberta offers a flexible entry option with only a 48 hour quarantine and lot's of testing, Ontario, same political party in office, clearly doesn't. Ford seems strongly against it.
So it could be down to the premier's preferences, or also possibly tailored to the provinces needs? I'd imagine, Alberta's oil industry and their economy is more connected to the US than anything else in Canada.
Last edited by OrangeMango; Jan 27th 2021 at 5:23 pm.
#652
Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
No you're not required to but as you raised the subject then my commenting is reasonable.
As you were so keen to dash over and " get there in time" I hadn't considered you would spend the required tine in quarantine which seems contradictory to the urgency.
Presumably you've considered that you might be in Malta and be needed back here quickly and them be stuck with quarantine here?
it's good news your grandfather's infection hadn't spread, presumably they have ruled out COVID?
As you were so keen to dash over and " get there in time" I hadn't considered you would spend the required tine in quarantine which seems contradictory to the urgency.
Presumably you've considered that you might be in Malta and be needed back here quickly and them be stuck with quarantine here?
it's good news your grandfather's infection hadn't spread, presumably they have ruled out COVID?
Malta doesn't have a mandatory quarantine for arrivals from Canada, but do require a negative PCR test before arrival with the option to take a second rapid test on arrival at the airport, which I would take advantage of in addition to staying at the apartment rather then in the house...any contact for the first 2 weeks would likely be from a distance with masks. There is an urgency but throughout this thread i've never advocated for breaking the law regarding quarantine.
I spoke to the MP office and they put me at ease, I think my "mad dash" to get over was in relation to potentially being restricted from leaving Canada, they seem to think that is unlikely and the focus will likely be on further restrictions on arrivals into Canada. Which, to contain the variants is justifiable.
I recognize I might be stuck outside the country longer then I intend. I guess I will just have to heed that warning and cross that bridge when I come to it.
With the good news received today in addition to speaking to my MP office I think I am going to hold off for a few weeks, allow him to get home from the hospital and begin treatment and then I will go spend a few weeks with him. Taking it day by day at the moment.
I don't think that everything is generally political, in terms of the party and their platforms. But why is it wrong to examine the matter from a political perspective?
At first I thought about politics as well, but in the end, both Alberta and Ontario have a PC premier.
Alberta offers a flexible entry option with only a 48 hour quarantine and lot's of testing, Ontario, same political party in office, clearly doesn't. Ford seems strongly against it.
So it could be down to the premier's preferences, or also possibly tailored to the provinces needs? I'd imagine, Alberta's oil industry and their economy is more connected to the US than anything else in Canada.
At first I thought about politics as well, but in the end, both Alberta and Ontario have a PC premier.
Alberta offers a flexible entry option with only a 48 hour quarantine and lot's of testing, Ontario, same political party in office, clearly doesn't. Ford seems strongly against it.
So it could be down to the premier's preferences, or also possibly tailored to the provinces needs? I'd imagine, Alberta's oil industry and their economy is more connected to the US than anything else in Canada.
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
I think it is also tailored to public opinion. Most people you talk to in Ontario support covid shutdowns and quarantine measures. Alberta is the province where people are seen protesting and blatantly violating most of the restrictions, even with businesses opening in protest. So public appetite for reduced quarantine in Alberta is very high, whereas in Ontario I don't think that is much the same.
The issue is that in Ontario they still give you quite some time to get to your home, and begin the 14 day quarantine. Let's assume that one has Covid 19 and doesn't know it, but arrives in Toronto airport. Testing up until now was optional. One fills out whatever forms they have to, and agree to quarantine in a place like Sudbury or Timmins or North Bay, where there is quite a bit of driving to get to there... On the way, the car breaks down, one can't continue, or one is caught in an accident, no matter who's fault..... There are lot's of leaks here and many more options to infect others and one doesn't even know it, even in cases if one indeed intended to follow the quarantine rules.
In Alberta however the testing would be obligatory, the 48 hour stay is most likely in an airport hotel, mandated by the government, and after a negative result one can leave, and the follow up test after that, is also booked in and could then be in Edmonton, or wherever els in Alberta. Thus it's in my mind more structured and possibly also cheaper. 48 hours in a hotel isn't that expensive. I take it and after 48 hours the government wouldn't have to send men in dark coats and dark hats knocking on people's door to find out if they are really at home......
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If it's a question of public opinion than the decision is sadly political, not scientific and certainly not practical.
The issue is that in Ontario they still give you quite some time to get to your home, and begin the 14 day quarantine. Let's assume that one has Covid 19 and doesn't know it, but arrives in Toronto airport. Testing up until now was optional. One fills out whatever forms they have to, and agree to quarantine in a place like Sudbury or Timmins or North Bay, where there is quite a bit of driving to get to there... On the way, the car breaks down, one can't continue, or one is caught in an accident, no matter who's fault..... There are lot's of leaks here and many more options to infect others and one doesn't even know it, even in cases if one indeed intended to follow the quarantine rules.
In Alberta however the testing would be obligatory, the 48 hour stay is most likely in an airport hotel, mandated by the government, and after a negative result one can leave, and the follow up test after that, is also booked in and could then be in Edmonton, or wherever els in Alberta. Thus it's in my mind more structured and possibly also cheaper. 48 hours in a hotel isn't that expensive. I take it and after 48 hours the government wouldn't have to send men in dark coats and dark hats knocking on people's door to find out if they are really at home......
The issue is that in Ontario they still give you quite some time to get to your home, and begin the 14 day quarantine. Let's assume that one has Covid 19 and doesn't know it, but arrives in Toronto airport. Testing up until now was optional. One fills out whatever forms they have to, and agree to quarantine in a place like Sudbury or Timmins or North Bay, where there is quite a bit of driving to get to there... On the way, the car breaks down, one can't continue, or one is caught in an accident, no matter who's fault..... There are lot's of leaks here and many more options to infect others and one doesn't even know it, even in cases if one indeed intended to follow the quarantine rules.
In Alberta however the testing would be obligatory, the 48 hour stay is most likely in an airport hotel, mandated by the government, and after a negative result one can leave, and the follow up test after that, is also booked in and could then be in Edmonton, or wherever els in Alberta. Thus it's in my mind more structured and possibly also cheaper. 48 hours in a hotel isn't that expensive. I take it and after 48 hours the government wouldn't have to send men in dark coats and dark hats knocking on people's door to find out if they are really at home......
From what I understand, home visits to ensure quarantine compliance are very rare in Canada. They really only happen when someone comes from a high risk country and then fails to answer calls and complete daily check-in which is a really stupid thing for anyone to do anyway.
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
It sounds like Doug Ford wants mandatory testing for everyone who arrives at Pearson which I have no problem with personally, not that my opinion would count for much though. Right now the testing at Pearson is completely optional which I've never entirely understood.
From what I understand, home visits to ensure quarantine compliance are very rare in Canada. They really only happen when someone comes from a high risk country and then fails to answer calls and complete daily check-in which is a really stupid thing for anyone to do anyway.
From what I understand, home visits to ensure quarantine compliance are very rare in Canada. They really only happen when someone comes from a high risk country and then fails to answer calls and complete daily check-in which is a really stupid thing for anyone to do anyway.
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Well it's 72 hours isn't it so it's technically up to 3 days. He is only asking for it though, the government haven't mandated it yet. From his perspective I can understand as well since most international arrivals go through his province, even if it's just en-route for a flight to somewhere else.
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
Well it's 72 hours isn't it so it's technically up to 3 days. He is only asking for it though, the government haven't mandated it yet. From his perspective I can understand as well since most international arrivals go through his province, even if it's just en-route for a flight to somewhere else.
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
With a bit of joined up thinking (and yes I know they are politicians!) they could mandate a test say 5 days prior to boarding with another test on arrival. Quarantine would only be necessary while the arrival test was processed. This would catch 99% of covid arriving by air which is small amount anyway at the moment.
Sadly, Dr. Tam wouldn't approve and from Ford it's most likely also a clear NO even before you'd start the suggestion......
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Re: Quarantine for COVID 19 discussions.
With a bit of joined up thinking (and yes I know they are politicians!) they could mandate a test say 5 days prior to boarding with another test on arrival. Quarantine would only be necessary while the arrival test was processed. This would catch 99% of covid arriving by air which is small amount anyway at the moment.
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The thing is, if they make you pay for a government mandated hotel room for 14 days, this regulation will probably be in effect for the remainder of the year.