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Thank you Gentlemen.

I tell you what, I bang this on the head now. No more on pensions from me, back to snow tyres.

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And he does stand his round in the pub so he's not all bad. For a Grauniad reader that is.;)

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Same old same old...do you really have a job or as I mentioned sit on Brit Expat's all day looking for cyber mates...which is rather strange seeing as you hate the Brits and don't want anymore in Canada.

You keep papping on about "People who do not pay tax" yet you choose to ignore that fact that people have TOLD you they DO PAY TAX from their government pension. Regardless of the amount they pay they pay tax so should be able to recieve index linked pension as I said before just because you pay tax on a certain things Car, fuel, pension, the government don't plough it back into improve those areas which you have paid the tax on.


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Well what the hell are you doing then coz as far as quite a lot are concerned thats what your doing.


People are great at arguing a point that they have no interest in or in your case having no chance of ever recieving a decent amount in a UK state pension coz you have never contributed anything to the UK. By your own admmision you stumbled into Canada with nothing bumming from job to job.

If this thread was about the plight of frost bitten chickens maybe it would be a different

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That's pretty much what I was going to say. I seldom agree with him, but he isn't a troll. He has too much of the same thing to say in too many ways on this particular subject and it's best to ignore him. On other topics, he's not exactly been helpful but his posts have been entertaining. Not fair to call him a troll.

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Another one who has no claim or interest.

Personally I don't see why you post on the thread then if you have no interest...take my advice therefore...and move on.

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Exactly...out of 11.000 posts now and again is my point...drivel

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Why do I have no claim or interest:confused: I've paid into a UK state pension for years before coming to Canada. I post because I have an interest in keeping this forum friendly and useful, and this thread reached a zenith on both fronts about 8 pages ago by my reckoning, its run its course.

Scott... a friendly word of advice LET IT GO

You are coming over as a bitter and twisted little man. We agree with you, mostly..its not fair, it should be the same for all. But its not, and its not going to change.

Sticking pins in other people for posting here (for whatever reason) and calling us names just makes you look petty.

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Of course.:) People arguing strongly on a subject rarely change their mind.

But there are a whole bunch of other people reading things. THEY are the ones we may influence.

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Nope. You wont. And even if you do, you still wont get an index linked pension anyway. The decision has been made. Just wasting electrons, thats all that is going on here.

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Well, governments have been known to change their minds. It's fairly common...and not just because losing seats is a risk.

Why behave as if decisions never get changed?

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I cannot agree with that defeatist attitude. We would have lost the war if we thought that way. Laws are made and laws can be changed. The black people would still be slaves, women would not have got the vote, so get real.
Watch this space for when the European Court finds in our favour and you eat your words.
That would be a typical response from dbd33.
This thread is still useful for the people that are genuinely interested in the subject and I have personally helped a number of them by one to one messages, so don't think that because you may not have seen any evidence of anyone getting any benefit here in this thread, that they do not exist.
In fact I have one waiting to be answered as I type this.

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Short answer:
Experience.

Longer answer:
For those that say this can be changed, or that its like womens rights or slavery, I say get real. This law has been appealed all the way to the house of lords, the countries highest court, and beyond. It was not and will not be overturned on the basis of a petition, and the european court knows better than to start looking at government financial policy in terms of human rights. Pensions are not and never will be a human rights issue.

The petition was replied to in such a way by 10 downing street as to make it clear that they were looking at it as a financial decision, not a justice one, and that there is no chance of a reversal.

Its not going to change, there is no driving force to get it changed, only those expats affected by it really care or have any reason to care. Pensions increases are not, no matter what you might think, a fundamental human right. Be grateful to get anything at all, and plan accordingly to take care of yourself.

The petition alluded to in the start of this thread is submitted, the reply from the government given (paraphrased as "sling your hook") Therefore no further point to this thread other than to publicise the fact that the injustice exists, and for whiny expats to wring hands and gnash teath over it. I say get over the dissapointment and move on. Go worry about third world poverty and debt relief, or global warming or something where there is a realistic chance of effecting a real positive change in this world rather than worrying about a few measly quid annual increase in a pension that will be only a tiny fraction of what you will need to live on anyway by the time we retire.

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OK, We will start at the beginning. The European Court is going to look at Human Rights and Equality. It will rule on whether it thinks that the British Government is discriminating against it's pensioners that live in countries where the pension is frozen. Nothing to do with the British governments finaces, so let's get that straight. As for it not being a human rights issue I would ask "Why have they accepted the case then?" and why do we have the largest law firm in Canada representing us there ?
The second point about it being financial. It is a fact that should all of the pensioners return to the UK, then the cost to the government in terms of health care and benefits that could be claimed would more than exceed the cost of paying us the uprated pension. In addition to that, if you have done your homework, which is pretty clear that you have not, then you would know that the Pension Fund in the UK cannot be touched and used for any other purpose. The government Actuary report last year will tell you about the financial state of this fund. Go to : http://www.gad.gov.uk/Publications/docs/CM7021.pdf
This fund already exceeds the amount required by one sixth and by 2011/12 it will be exceeding the required amount by 90% and still growing.
It's not going to change - you said. Do you have a crystal ball then?
Perhaps you could tell me the lottery numbers for the Super7.
There is the Canadian Alliance of British Pensioners and the British Pensioners in Australia plus South Africa, New Zealand and many of the smaller Commonwealth countries who are fighting this issue. Plus the many relatives and friends of those pensioners in the UK. Plus many of the UK MP's who also feel that we are being treated unfairly - see the signatures against the Early Day Motions to be brought up in the House of Commons. You can find those and look yourself.
I do not know your age but you speak as an immature person who has no conception of right or wrong / justice or injustice. If you are an ex-pat who will someday qualify for a UK pension then just maybe you will thank us for getting you the pension you deserve.
As for your comments about the third world - they do you no credit.
Many of the pensioners work tirelessly for many charities and do so for no reward. They do not get paid. In fact they often put their hand in their pocket to lend support. So that is insulting.
Finally :-your quote : worrying about a few measly quid annual increase in a pension that will be only a tiny fraction of what you will need to live on anyway by the time we retire.
At last you have got it right. When we win this fight you can thank us because the pension that you will get will be worth that much more.
Please do your homework before making comments that do not hold up and
should you feel that something that affects you is wrong, then get up and do something about it instead of taking the defeatist attitude that you seem to think we should have.

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Good luck if you do manage to get it. i suppose the next battle will to be to get it backdated to the day you left. now wouldnt that be something:) cant see that happening though.