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Bloody Hell - What a heated thread.

I think this is one topic that people will have to agree to disagree on.

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It's like watching a street fight, every now and again a person jumps in, throws a few punches then drops out.

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If you had read all of the previous messages you would know the answer to your question. As for the Indian and Somalia bit, I fail to see the logic of your statement. We are not talking about any other country but the UK.
You are not dbd 's brother are you or dbd under a different name ?

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OK, I'm moving out of here because this is going nowhere. This forum is about the UK FROZEN PENSION . No maybe or supposing or what if's ! We are trying to deal with facts and not suppositions.
If those of you who disagree with my statements wish to continue to hold the views you have expressed then that is your prerogative and you are entitled to your opinion and I would never question that in the name of decency and equality.
Darn it , there's that word again that seems to be causing a problem. Oh well, we will just have to learn to live with it.
A last thought : If any of you were a twin and you and your brother each had exactly the same type of working life and qualified for a full UK pension and emigrated on retirement. Ok with me so far. Both of you ended up at Niagara Falls. Great you could see each other regularly. But, one twin happened to settle on the Canadian side because he married a Canadian girl and the other settled on the US side because his wife happened to be American and because both wives wished to return to their homeland. For the first year , both twins would be treated the same. The next year, the lucky guy on the US side gets an increase in his pension. Alas, his brother does not. After a good while the one on the US side has a pension that is twice that of his brother even though they have gone through an identical lifestyle apart from marrying girls of different nationalities. Do you still maintain that this is fair treatment ?
I rest my case.

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No I'm not dbd33's brother, although I do believe one of them lives in Canada. Several others, apparently, are in jail.

My point is why are we talking about no other country than the Uk? Do you think we're special?

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No, not necessarily but the subject in question is to do with British Pensions which are frozen by the British government. What other countries do with and to their pensioners is not in question nor was it a part of this discussion really.
It has though come into the argument because we are all interested to see how other countries treat their pensioners and to see if this is a precedent where depending on where you live in retirement, whether you are discriminated against in the same way or not.
Regrettably, some red herrings have been thrown in and also some wayward comments about unrelated subjects, seemingly to just play havoc with what was a serious discussion. It is a pity that this behaviour happens but I guess that we have to accept that there will be some who get some sort of satisfaction by doing so.

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I am sorry. Forgive me for responding that way when you asked about why I was here in Canada. I lost my 1st wife to cancer. Subsequently I came to Canada and met my current wife who has family over here. We returned to the UK until my retirement and then emigrated to Canada. My wife's family are now my family and I could not be better loved or respected if they were my own children. For that move I am penalised. Had she been an American then I would get the full pension. Maybe you can now see where I am coming from with my argument.

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I should have said that had she been an American and we had emigrated to the USA to be with our family, then I would get the full pension.

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So now you get access to all the municipal, provincial and federal programmes for old folk paid for by Canadians through their taxes. Yet you have contributed nothing towards them in your working life. And you complain?

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To go back to the street fighting analogy, if he wasn't knocked straight though a plate glass shop window surely he's struggling to get up off the pavement /sidewalk.

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In short, yes I do. And I am not complaining about the Canadian government who as I said before treat their pensioners right. As for contributing nothing you could not be more wrong. But yes I am complaining about the UK government.
I pay taxes every year in Canada and it amounts to tens of thousands so far - yes I have other pensions that I have paid for which are inflation linked. I pay well over $1000 / yr for medicare and pay a charge for every prescription .
You may not have read previous messages that I made and I will repeat some of the content. I have relatives in New Zealand who retired there over 26 yrs ago and due to inflation you can ony guess what a lousy pension they are getting because it is frozen. They went to be with their only daughter - my cousin. That is one reason I am making the stand and also for all of the people who in future will emigrate to a frozen country and be discriminated against. And yes, for myself.
In addition, my being in Canada means that I am not using the NHS in the UK.
I am not getting the free prescriptions that I would in the UK that the government would be paying for. They are not giving me the winter heating allowance - another saving for the government. If I were in the UK, then the cost of these payments to me would be substantial. I am sure that there are other benefits that I have not included as well.
I also work for two charitable organisations here in Canada which leads me on to say that there are pensioners in frozen countries that are now being helped by charitable organisations like the British Legion/Army and RAF Benevolent funds etc who probably would not need help if they were in receipt of the full pension.

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Well I wish you luck. This particular dead horse will still be being flogged when your children reach pensionable age.

Since you are apparently relatively well off, why not just enjoy the positives of your life in NS or NB (I forget).

BTW, do you pay more for medicare (do you mean health care?) and prescriptions than any other pensioners in NS or NB (whichever it is)?

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Thank you. This has become a crusade for me and I really want to try to get other people involved so that eventually the whole pension problem will be resolved one way or another. You must admit that at the moment the plan is unfair and should be sorted.
As for health care, there are other options to the plan that I have but like many things I have not got around to weighing up one against another. When it comes down to it, it is probably swings and roundabouts.
I hope that the dead horse only appears to be dead but can be revived.
I will come back and post a new thread when that happens - no, no, no - don't hold your breath ! Cheers.

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No it's not a dead horse, there are more people becoming involved, and one day hopefully this discrimination will be abolished. Maybe not in our lifetime and to our benefit, but for future immigrants from the UK. Thanks for sticking with it.

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Thanks very much. That is my view too. It's nice to have a bit of positive encouragement.