Originally Posted by NELBHOY

Oh **** PC Bermudashorts of the moral high ground constabulary has just turned up on her white charger!!!

Originally Posted by scottishcelts

What's wrong with the spelling?

Originally Posted by scottishcelts

Pish.

See my last post.

I wouldn't personally murder someone if that is what you are getting at, but she just as good murdered people in my family.

Me, a dangerous person? Only if you continue to argue with me

Originally Posted by DibDob

MISSED THE POINT jESUS!!!!!!!!

TELL that to the families of dead soldiers in the Falklands, Tell that to the 100's of thousands who’s lives have been lost to that murdering b****, how many suicides how many drug filled lives have been created by the aftermath she has left. I can only talk of the valleys as its from a personal perspective, you asked do I wish her dead ohhh YES!!!!

Originally Posted by DibDob

MISSED THE POINT jESUS!!!!!!!!

TELL that to the families of dead soldiers in the Falklands, Tell that to the 100's of thousands who’s lives have been lost to that murdering b****, how many suicides how many drug filled lives have been created by the aftermath she has left. I can only talk of the valleys as its from a personal perspective, you asked do I wish her dead ohhh YES!!!!

Originally Posted by JackTheLad

It was a joke! He highlighted 'old dears' and then mentioned hunting. Meaning hunting 'old deers'

Its not funny when explained.

Originally Posted by Bermudashorts

I said missed the point because you listed twenty areas where you disagree with her policies. Whereas we were making the point that it is wrong to have a DEATH WISH on somebody because we don't have the same political view points.

And this last post is bordering on the hysterical. MT did not kill 100's of thousands, you are just being silly now.

Originally Posted by Bermudashorts

Oh well argued that has me put in my place.

You think that somebody who thinks it is distasteful to party at another human being's death and / or to wish for that death is taking the "moral high ground". Jeez, what kind of a person are you..

Originally Posted by DibDob

You wanted reasons why people HATE HER, This nearly says it all, cant talk about the miners strike as it’s still too painful!!!

20 REASONS WHY I HATE THATCHER

1. As Education secretary under Edward Heath in a foretaste of what is to come, stops free milk for school children. No chance of the widely praised 'free fruit' scheme ever being Tory policy! She later deregulates school meals so all they have on the menu is burger and chips! The health of the nation was not something Thatcher thought any of her concern.

2. Shamelessly uses the 'race card' to get elected PM in 1979! (Though I won’t claim her to be the first Tory leader to use this and certainly not the last!) "We are being flooded!" she asserts despite figures showing emigration higher than immigration and immigration at its lowest post-war level. Her idols are Keith Joseph (who ruined his own chance of being leader with a demon eyed rant on TV about sterilising the poor (I jest not!!)) and Enoch Powell (the 'intellectual' racist). She promotes Keith 'Eugenics' Joseph to Education Minister!

3. Monetarism! Disastrous policy of trying to control money supply. In the first of her two recessions (the worst since the 1930's), one fifth of our industrial base is wiped out and unemployment is more than doubled, there are summer riots in every inner-city in the country. Not bad for her first 2 years in office! In the first of many U-turns (see point on 'myth of strong leader'), she abandons monetarism. Polls predict Labour landslide and despite the resolute support of the press, she is the most unpopular PM on record. How could she possibly get out of this one?

4. The Falklands! In a gross piece of incompetence (or was it deliberate?) fails to avert the Falklands crisis by ignoring intelligence on the Argentine preparation for invasion in early 1982. Indeed she seems to positively encourage it by proposing scrapping the only warship we have there and having her defence secretary Nicholas Ridley openly say we didn't want the Falklands, thereby giving the impression we are not bothered about the islands! In 1978 when faced with the same intelligence, the Labour government quietly averts a war through diplomatic channels by threatening to send a taskforce. It's the classic tale, to divert attention from disastrous economic policies at home a crooked leader engages in a foreign war (except I'm not talking about Galtieri!). Perhaps Thatcher was getting advise from some of the brutal dictatorships she helped prop up in South America, "Would you like some more tea Mr Pinochet?". Number of British soldiers killed, 278, Argentines, 3000+. Blood on her hands anyone?

5. Destruction of local democracy. The beauty of not having a written constitution, having the backing of the press, having a massive majority in parliament (despite only getting 42% of the vote, less than 1 in 3 of the electorate) and having a permanent inbuilt Tory hereditary second chamber is that Tory PMs can do whatever they like. If you don’t like local democracy because they vote for someone else, just abolish it like Thatcher did and centralise everything from Whitehall and unelected Quangos who you carefully select. (Yes, Thatcher invented Quasi Autonomous Non-Governmental Organisations.) The popular GLC was scrapped despite over 80% of Londoners being opposed. Londoners have to wait over 13 years before getting an assembly back and electing Livingstone as its leader once again.

6. Politicising the civil service. See point about QUANGOs above. Also if you don’t like what statistics the statistics office is publishing, make sure you stop them collecting the statistics and stop them publishing them. The figures that were published on individual wealth and earnings each year were abolished in this way. The Office for National Statistics like the Bank of England was made independent by this Labour government and yes they have started publishing the wealth and earnings figures again.

7. Regressive Taxation. Under Thatcher VAT increased from 8% to 17.5% and was also levied on utility bills for the first time as well. What she gave the rich in income tax cuts she took from the poor in indirect taxation. The proportion of GDP spent by the government under Thatcher stayed fairly static at around 40%. The difference was that rather than spend it on the NHS, housing or education she spent the money on defence, a massive expansion of the civil service (see point 6), paying the huge unemployment bill, and rising police salaries to keep them loyal in the face of massive civil unrest. The best part of all was that she shifted the burden of payment for all this onto the poor from the rich.

8. The widening gap between rich and poor. This might not be such a bad thing if the gap had not been so massive in the first place. How can the richest 50% owning 97% of the wealth be fair? This was her starting position she moved wealth almost exclusively to the richest 10% at the expense of the poorest 50%.


9. Spend, spend, spend! Abolishing credit controls seemed such a good idea, the economy booms on a consumer spending bubble....cue second crippling recession. Thanks Margaret! Not to mention the misery caused to millions of people suckered into debts and negative equity! Spend, spend, spend also applied to government borrowing which despite claims of financial prudence increased massively under Thatcher to fund income tax cuts for the rich.


10. Homelessness for the young. Why should homelessness be the preserve of ageing tramps who remember the 1930’s? No! Thatcher thought the opportunities should be open to all. Young beggars on the streets were Thatcher's invention. The legacy of massive youth unemployment and crime no-go areas for the police are still being fought today. There is a whole generation of people where crime and welfare culture was their only way of surviving and it became their mindset.

11. The Poll Tax! Regardless of how you view this in theory, apart from its regressive nature, it quite plainly was unworkable. They knew that it was going to be ridiculously expensive to collect, that there was overwhelming opposition to it (it ruined the 1991 census) and was going to mean massive non-payment and it was responsible for some of the worst rioting ever seen in central London but they pressed ahead anyway. Another U-turn inevitably came!

12. The myth of the strong leader. This was a total invention of the press. Thatcher's only strength (if you could call it that) was that she had no principles at all! She was an anti-smoking campaigner who ended up on the payroll of British American Tobacco. She had to do a U-turn on her 'flagship' economic policy after 2 years because she had wrecked the economy (see point 3) (This was just one year after her famous speech in 1980 where she assured the party faithful she was going to stick to monetarist policies-"You turn if you want to...the lady's not for turning"-yeah right!!). The Poll Tax was a disaster which she had to U-turn on (but too late to save her from being stabbed in the back!). She went to Europe saying she was against federalism but signed its most federalist law (the Single European Act in 1986). She later claimed she was tricked on this. Did she even know what she was doing? Some strong leader that is! And to top it all off, even in departure she was weak. "I fight on, I fight to win" she said in her pompous way before quietly resigning hours later when confronted by Ministers like Geoffrey Howe!!! It was the final U-turn from a weak puppet leader whose only qualities (as far as the Tories were concerned) were she did what she was told.

13. Degradation of the social professions. Social workers were virtually denounced as criminals! Teachers were so derided and there pay so eroded it barely survived as a profession and things like mental health, just loose them out on the streets, Thatcher's government didn’t care what they did!

14. Victorian Values. Yes before its Back to Basics successor under Major, Thatcher promised to take us back to Victorian morality and she nearly succeeded. We were not far away from child labour and seething slums of humanity and disease. I reckon Thatcher needed one more term for that!! She also took care to defend to the hilt her countless Ministers who were caught with their trousers down or hands in the till or both in some cases! Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer (3 times), Jonathon Aitkin (twice)... etc. etc. the list goes on.

15. "There is no such thing as society". Did Thatcher foresee the 'playstation' generation? Selfishness as a virtue seemed to sum up her warped sense of morality to me.

16. Over-privatisation and overt corruption. Oh the beauty of it, a totally dominant monopoly privatised at a discount price to big business (lots of it foreign owned) so they can cream off profits to their hearts content. Who can do without Water, Gas, and Electricity? We can charge what we like! Plus we get the bonus of nice jobs on more Quangos OfWat, OfGas, of-with taxpayers cash we go. With Ministers interchanging between the boardrooms of the newly privatised companies and the regulating boards on massive salaries. Even husband and wife teams, remember Mr and Mrs Howe, one a consultant with a privatised firm, his wife the regulator. Anyone for insider dealing calls out Mrs Archer! Oh jolly good show! Even industries that plainly weren’t feasible for privatisation like bus and rail, go for it, it won’t hurt. And what shall we do with the money my dear? Well my son Mark has shares in a nice defence firm! Rather, still some left over for a nice reduction in the top rate of income tax as well.

17. Even public service broadcasting couldn’t escape. Relentless bullying of the BBC was started by Thatcher, she took this to a new level with Tebbit and various other ministers calling it the Bolshevic Broadcasting Company because it failed to replicate Sun editorial lines in its news broadcasts. In one of her last acts she even managed to wreck Channel 4’s public service commitment by changing its funding situation from one of subscription from ITV who sold its advertising space to total dependence on advertising.

18. The divisiveness of the North-South divide in wealth. Look at the political map and you can still see where the Conservatives win most of their seats in the South East because of this.

19. Regular winter crises in the NHS became the norm. The Tories argued these were inevitable because we couldn’t afford to fund the NHS properly. There are no winter crises anymore!

20. Crime rates doubled under Thatcher. This is probably the most surprising statistic of the lot when you consider the Tories so called strong standing on law and order. It just goes to demonstrate why we need a history lesson about Thatcher and not the lies printed in the right wing owned press.

Originally Posted by Comauver

The above post was originally googled here.
http://brightonregencylabourparty.bl...-thatcher.html
Some sad Labour supporter with a huge chip on both shoulders.

200 REASONS WHY I LOVE THATCHER
In the 78/9 Winter of Discontent the unions held this country to ransom under Callaghan's Labour govt as rubbish was piled high in the streets, people were unable to have hospital treatment due to the strike by ambulance drivers and ancillary hospital staff, the dead were left unburied, there were long queues for petrol, trains weren’t running and unemployment was rising.

When Maggie took power later that year, industry was uncompetitive because of high labour costs due over-manning caused by trade union policies and inflation was high and needed to come down, because that contributed to higher labour costs and unemployment.

To curb inflation, either int rates or taxes had to rise and being a monetarist she chose to increase int rates which decreased demand, consumption and investment and has an adverse affect on employment. High int rates also increase the value of the £ which made our exports more expensive so also decreased overseas demand.

However once inflation fell, int rates came down, demand, consumption and investment increased and unemployment fell. Curbing the power of unions also was one of her successful supply side policies along with privatisation and lower taxes which is why the economy grew and boomed from the mid 80's to 1990. For the first time working-class people were empowered as they were able to buy their own council houses and owned shares which increased in value.

This period saw unemployment falling fast, house prices were rising, the stock market was booming and inflation was licked. That's why in 1983 and 1987 she got returned to govt with landslide majorities. She also defeated the forces of evil by not giving in to the IRA hunger strikers, reclaiming the Falklands from Gen Galteria and not allowing Scargill to bring down her gov’t as he had done to Ted Heath’s.

Her only fault was the poll tax and entering the ERM which she knew to be a mistake but was under pressure from the media her Chancellor and other Ministers.

Contrast this record with that of Anthony Blair, the worst PM ever although Gordon Brown is running him a close second and together this is the mess they've left this country in

For starters a public deficit of £175 billion, (they only inherited a debt of £350 million in 1997)). Bogus asylum asylum seekers and illegal immigrants understandably saw this country as a soft touch under Labour and have cost the taxpayer £billions. Taxes have risen across the board to pay for this and other futile schemes like id cards, merging police forces, house packs, and training nurses and doctors where there were no job vacancies. Despite extra investment in the NHS it is inefficient as penpushers and bureacracy dominate and under new contracts GPs are paid more for doing less. There are less NHS dentists than in 1997. Blair introduced a Human Rights Act which gives more freedom for asylum seekers,criminals and immigrants. Unemployment is rising and approaching 3 million although 700,000 new jobs have been in the non wealth-producing public sector at taxpayers expense. Council tax is soaring over and above inflation, Crime is up as prisons are unable to take in new inmates due to Labour’s incompetence. Blair did nothing to replenish our nucleur power supplies despite knowing that our nucleur stns were coming to the end of their working lives but instead postured about useless wind turbines. Blair gave Scotland a devolved parliament which has threatened the survival of the UK. Teenage pregnancies are also up despite more and more sex education . Roads are gridlocked and public transport is a joke. Education is a bigger joke with prizes for all and young people urged to go to university (and get in debt) although there aren’t enough graduate jobs in the economy to satisfy demand. The private pensions fund has been pillaged since 1997 by Brown's £5 billion annual raid.

And probably the biggest crimes of all, a war in Iraq based on a lie that Saddam had wmd that could be deployed at 45 mins notice and an unwinnable war in Afghanistan that has lasted longer than WWII

For all you little cry babies that have had yr lives ruined by Maggie and feel suicidal, boo hoo, get a grip and realise that that although her time had run out by 1990 she was the best person to get the UK out of the mess she inherited.

Originally Posted by Comauver

The above post was originally googled here.

Originally Posted by Comauver

In the 78/9 Winter of Discontent............

Originally Posted by JackTheLad

Well, I'm sorry if your family suffered. But I can only imagine how.

Personally I grew up in Northern Ireland, so I now have a friend who is deaf because a bomb went off next to him. I have another friend who's dad is crippled because a lampost exploded next to him. And I personally have missed dying twice by a few metres, once when a pub blew up as I was leaving, and another time when when the car in front of me exploded killing the guy in it.

As you can imagine, I'm not a fan of SinnFein/IRA.

In comparison to Maggie Thatcher, theres alot of people higher on my list of people who should die. And they are in government now.

JTL

Originally Posted by Deutschmaster

Talking of the Thatchers isn't Mann supposed to be spilling the beans on Mark's involvement in that Coup?

And I wonder what happened to the daughter who was kicked out of the bbc for racism?