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Old Nov 16th 2009 | 10:07 am
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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
That one short, highlighted, paragraph, covers a period when Conservative policy caused more, and more sustained, damage to the heavy enginering part of East Manchester than the Luftwaffe managed. A huge swath of the city lost its 'reason to be' and has not recovered to this day.
Unfortunately a city that failed to move with the times. Subsidizing heavy industry is not long term viable.
 
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That bastion of political impartiality the BBC. I have witnessed their impartiality first hand as they handpicked a studio audience for Question Time from a queue for another show. White middle class need not apply.
I think what wound people up about the daughter is that after the remark rather than apologizing she laughed it off and made it out as if she couldn't understand what people were complaining about.
 
Old Nov 16th 2009 | 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by ossigeno
Unfortunately a city that failed to move with the times. Subsidizing heavy industry is not long term viable.
It wasn't being subsidized to begin with. It was the combination of excessively high interest rates, an artificially high pound and having to compete against German and French companies that WERE government backed that wiped it out.
 
Old Nov 16th 2009 | 12:32 pm
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It wasn't being subsidized to begin with. It was the combination of excessively high interest rates, an artificially high pound and having to compete against German and French companies that WERE government backed that wiped it out.
And rebuilt courtesy of terrorists.
 
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And rebuilt courtesy of terrorists.
Only the city center.

East Manchester still has real problems all these years later. A big area was regenerated as part of the Commonwealth Games... but hardly a major creator of jobs long term.
 
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Originally Posted by ossigeno
Unfortunately a city that failed to move with the times. Subsidizing heavy industry is not long term viable.
Strangely enough back in 2004 when I was working in aerospace I was shown a chart showing that out of the 'old' EU countries, it was only cheaper to manufacture stuff in Spain and Portugal.

It crosses my mind whether it's bad management which is screwing industry rather than it not being viable.
The company I worked at for a bit had the philosophy of not training its technicians because they'd just want more money. In fact they didn't like training anybody and would always find an excuse - 'oh you want to go on a software course, well if we would want a software engineer we'd just hire one'. Of course that just meant that the end product was s**t.
 
Old Nov 16th 2009 | 12:47 pm
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Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
Only the city center.

East Manchester still has real problems all these years later. A big area was regenerated as part of the Commonwealth Games... but hardly a major creator of jobs long term.
Dont be greedy
 
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Originally Posted by JackTheLad
Well I've just had a quick scan through the thread, and I see you called a 3 times elected Prime Minister a dictator?

She was a strong willed woman who didn't suffer fools gladly. MAybe if she was a man it would have been more acceptable to you.

Don't know why you translate that as a dictator. Try Stalin, Hitler, Pinochet, Mao, no majority ever voted for them.

And what are these 10 republicans you mentioned? They wouldn't happen to be terrorists that killed lots of innocent people by any chance?

Honestly, I can't figure out what you are on about, only that you have a disproportionate hatred of an old lady.

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Well I hate to rain on you parade but Thatcher never had the majority of the population vote for her. If you look at the popular vote the most she ever got was 43.9% in 79 it went down every subsequent election (42.4 in 83 and 42.2 in 87). So I think you should agree that she wasn't exactly voted in by the wishes of the majority only by the British voting system could deliver that kind of result.
 
Old Nov 16th 2009 | 2:12 pm
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Originally Posted by JackTheLad
Well, I'm sorry if your family suffered. But I can only imagine how.

Personally I grew up in Northern Ireland, so I now have a friend who is deaf because a bomb went off next to him. I have another friend who's dad is crippled because a lampost exploded next to him. And I personally have missed dying twice by a few metres, once when a pub blew up as I was leaving, and another time when when the car in front of me exploded killing the guy in it.

As you can imagine, I'm not a fan of SinnFein/IRA.

In comparison to Maggie Thatcher, theres alot of people higher on my list of people who should die. And they are in government now.

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Oh dear yet another tirade against republicans,you sure have a chip on yer shoulder,the war is over now deep breath and get on with yer miserable life
 
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Originally Posted by Bernieboy
Oh dear yet another tirade against republicans,you sure have a chip on yer shoulder,the war is over now deep breath and get on with yer miserable life
 
Old Nov 16th 2009 | 2:49 pm
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Thatcher was great
Perths dull
too much crime in Sydney
Melbournes weather is crap
Brisbanes plastic
ill come back when youve all finished........................
 
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Thatcher was great
Perths dull
too much crime in Sydney
Melbournes weather is crap
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ill come back when youve all finished........................
what about the cost of lettuce?
 
Old Nov 16th 2009 | 2:58 pm
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lettuce be thankful its not an issue of note.
 
Old Nov 16th 2009 | 3:17 pm
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Originally Posted by isgraham
Well I hate to rain on you parade but Thatcher never had the majority of the population vote for her. If you look at the popular vote the most she ever got was 43.9% in 79 it went down every subsequent election (42.4 in 83 and 42.2 in 87). So I think you should agree that she wasn't exactly voted in by the wishes of the majority only by the British voting system could deliver that kind of result.
Or American, or Australian, or indeed any system that uses a 'first past the post' style of democracy.

More people voted for her than any other single party, what part of that confuses you?

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Originally Posted by Bernieboy
Oh dear yet another tirade against republicans,you sure have a chip on yer shoulder,the war is over now deep breath and get on with yer miserable life
I have a very happy life, no thanks to the people who tried repeatedly to kill me and my friends.

But yes, I'll get on with my happy life, while you republicans glory in your victory of a united Ire l a n d.... oh hang on

Its still the way it was 40 years ago Nice work guys, 4,000 dead, nothing to show for it.

Good work. Now get on with your misrable existence. (but this time, try not to kill anyone for no reason)

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