Scottish Independence
Jan 11th 2012 | 1:28 pm
#31
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Re: Scottish Independence
If they have a surplus it will be spent bailing out Italy and Greece.
I don't think the financial side really stacks up. Scotland has been part of the Union for over 300 years but now apparently everyone wants to throw off the yoke of "English Oppression" ?
Fair enough but what is going to pay for the Welfare State, NHS, Defence, Education etc ? Oil revenues are dwindling remember. Look at Ireland - it hitched its wagon to the Euro and look at the mess it's in now.
England [Southern especially] wants shot of Scotland once and for all. All we have given them recently is the likes of Gordon Brown.
Anyway I don't live there anymore so it's a moot point. If the population want to commit suicide it's their decision.
p.s. If there is one thing really gets me is the SNP ALWAYS put the phrase "The people of Scotland" into their sound bites as if they are somehow the magical keepers of everyone's thoughts.
bcworld - The first president of Scotland will be Alex Salmond guaranteed. I hate the bastard but he's one of the cleverest politicians in many years.
Fair enough but what is going to pay for the Welfare State, NHS, Defence, Education etc ? Oil revenues are dwindling remember. Look at Ireland - it hitched its wagon to the Euro and look at the mess it's in now.
England [Southern especially] wants shot of Scotland once and for all. All we have given them recently is the likes of Gordon Brown.
Anyway I don't live there anymore so it's a moot point. If the population want to commit suicide it's their decision.
p.s. If there is one thing really gets me is the SNP ALWAYS put the phrase "The people of Scotland" into their sound bites as if they are somehow the magical keepers of everyone's thoughts.
bcworld - The first president of Scotland will be Alex Salmond guaranteed. I hate the bastard but he's one of the cleverest politicians in many years.
Jan 11th 2012 | 3:55 pm
#33
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Re: Scottish Independence
Will catholics be deported upon Scottish Independence?
May seem an extreme statement, but one many believe would be an ideal Scotland for some.
One of my biggest dreams was to see an independent Scotland, now if it came to the crunch, I just don't know.
In some ways yes, and in others, would Scotland be better off staying within the union?
May seem an extreme statement, but one many believe would be an ideal Scotland for some.
One of my biggest dreams was to see an independent Scotland, now if it came to the crunch, I just don't know.
In some ways yes, and in others, would Scotland be better off staying within the union?
Jan 11th 2012 | 3:58 pm
#34
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Re: Scottish Independence
Will catholics be deported upon Scottish Independence?
May seem an extreme statement, but one many believe would be an ideal Scotland for some.
One of my biggest dreams was to see an independent Scotland, now if it came to the crunch, I just don't know.
In some ways yes, and in others, would Scotland be better off staying within the union?
May seem an extreme statement, but one many believe would be an ideal Scotland for some.
One of my biggest dreams was to see an independent Scotland, now if it came to the crunch, I just don't know.
In some ways yes, and in others, would Scotland be better off staying within the union?
Jan 11th 2012 | 4:00 pm
#35
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Re: Scottish Independence
Jan 11th 2012 | 4:04 pm
#36
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Re: Scottish Independence
They just pretend to like the Irish/catholics.
Jan 11th 2012 | 4:14 pm
#37
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Re: Scottish Independence
Some of my best friends back in SA were Scottish uber-proddies. Apart from a hatred of Celtic and catholics, they also saw themselves as patriotic Britons.
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Jan 11th 2012 | 4:27 pm
#38
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Re: Scottish Independence
You don't have to be a proddy to be Scottish AND a patriotic Briton.
And I can think of people who are 'Church of Scotland' who would vote for independence...for a lot of Scottish proddies the whole Britain / Ireland thing is something that just doesn't come into their thoughts. Glasgow does not a Scotland make!
I also know catholics who I can say would no way vote for independence...some of em are so true blue they should be living in Tunbridge Wells!
Jan 11th 2012 | 4:28 pm
#39
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Re: Scottish Independence
There's also the matter of distribution of the now quite large UK national debt. Quite a bit of that was spent in bailing out the Bank of Scotland. I dare say that's something that the Scots can't just walk away from, even if they would like to. I'm not sure that a fledgling independent nation would necessarily benefit from starting day 1 with a huge national debt.
On the other side of the coin is the fact that Scottish independence would be a fantastic opportunity for the UK government to offload quite a bit of that same national debt.
On the other side of the coin is the fact that Scottish independence would be a fantastic opportunity for the UK government to offload quite a bit of that same national debt.
I personally don't see the point in Scotland separating from the union.
Jan 11th 2012 | 4:31 pm
#40
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Re: Scottish Independence
The only 'uber-proddies' I can think of are those flag wavers in the Rangers crowd.
You don't have to be a proddy to be Scottish AND a patriotic Briton.
And I can think of people who are 'Church of Scotland' who would vote for independence...for a lot of Scottish proddies the whole Britain / Ireland thing is something that just doesn't come into their thoughts. Glasgow does not a Scotland make!
I also know catholics who I can say would no way vote for independence...some of em are so true blue they should be living in Tunbridge Wells!
You don't have to be a proddy to be Scottish AND a patriotic Briton.
And I can think of people who are 'Church of Scotland' who would vote for independence...for a lot of Scottish proddies the whole Britain / Ireland thing is something that just doesn't come into their thoughts. Glasgow does not a Scotland make!
I also know catholics who I can say would no way vote for independence...some of em are so true blue they should be living in Tunbridge Wells!
Jan 11th 2012 | 4:35 pm
#41
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Re: Scottish Independence
The only 'uber-proddies' I can think of are those flag wavers in the Rangers crowd.
You don't have to be a proddy to be Scottish AND a patriotic Briton.
And I can think of people who are 'Church of Scotland' who would vote for independence...for a lot of Scottish proddies the whole Britain / Ireland thing is something that just doesn't come into their thoughts. Glasgow does not a Scotland make!
I also know catholics who I can say would no way vote for independence...some of em are so true blue they should be living in Tunbridge Wells!
You don't have to be a proddy to be Scottish AND a patriotic Briton.
And I can think of people who are 'Church of Scotland' who would vote for independence...for a lot of Scottish proddies the whole Britain / Ireland thing is something that just doesn't come into their thoughts. Glasgow does not a Scotland make!
I also know catholics who I can say would no way vote for independence...some of em are so true blue they should be living in Tunbridge Wells!
And in regards to the above, it does, all you choochters just cannae accept it.
Jan 11th 2012 | 4:36 pm
#42
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Re: Scottish Independence
Will catholics be deported upon Scottish Independence?
May seem an extreme statement, but one many believe would be an ideal Scotland for some.
One of my biggest dreams was to see an independent Scotland, now if it came to the crunch, I just don't know.
In some ways yes, and in others, would Scotland be better off staying within the union?
May seem an extreme statement, but one many believe would be an ideal Scotland for some.
One of my biggest dreams was to see an independent Scotland, now if it came to the crunch, I just don't know.
In some ways yes, and in others, would Scotland be better off staying within the union?
Jan 11th 2012 | 4:43 pm
#43
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Re: Scottish Independence
Jan 11th 2012 | 9:29 pm
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Re: Scottish Independence
I think us English should embrace Scottish independence, I think it should be encouraged, we should be pro Scottish independence in England and the main political parties should be pushing Scotland away and turning their back on that country.
Scotland should be treated with total indifference. Any way, Scotland has blamed the English for all of their woes over the last however many hundred years when in reality it has been the treachery of Scotland's own people and rulers that has sold the country down the river time after time. From Scottish kings selling out to English kings to corrupt Scottish parliaments selling Scotland family sliver for a few benefits from South of the border. Give the Scottish enough rope to play with and they will invariably hang themselves eventually.
The reality is the vast majority in England just don't care.
Scotland should be treated with total indifference. Any way, Scotland has blamed the English for all of their woes over the last however many hundred years when in reality it has been the treachery of Scotland's own people and rulers that has sold the country down the river time after time. From Scottish kings selling out to English kings to corrupt Scottish parliaments selling Scotland family sliver for a few benefits from South of the border. Give the Scottish enough rope to play with and they will invariably hang themselves eventually.
The reality is the vast majority in England just don't care.
Last edited by Jon77; Jan 11th 2012 at 9:32 pm.
