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Old Apr 15th 2013 | 6:37 pm
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Originally Posted by BEVS
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It wasn't a question Scotch!
 
Old Apr 15th 2013 | 6:50 pm
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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
I actually wonder how bad it was in the 70s - and this is a genuine question to those who were working in the 70s. Sure we had days without electricity and strikes, and I've just read entire television channels were off-air.
Are we able to seperate extreme industrial action which caused disruption measured in days (or months) from an entire country that was broken? People say now despite the GFC that their families are prosperous. Surely millions lived comfortably despite the decade? The political scenes might even be reminiscent of PM Brown's muddling. Could the actions have been fixed in the 80s and all swept under the carpet -after all the UK still experiences industrial action!

But still! Won't you people shagging each others wifes and eating Instant mash and melting cheese in little pots?
Far too much happening to bother about tv. Never had one till the 80s. I found the 70s a great time to be young.

Work was plentiful. I had three jobs in two weeks once,wouldn't stay anywhere didn't feel was right for me.
Music great and gigs cheap to get into. A real feeling of freedom (could have
been partly to do with age?)
Money wasn't the be all to everything. Life was certainly more simplistic but people more connected.
Plenty of cheap places to eat out. Think Chelsea Kitchen, The Hot Pot et al.

The power went out at times but don't recall often.(that was more in the earlier 70s) recal eating out once when the power went off and candles were supplied to all tables. Rather cool.

The impact of the rubbish seem more to impact on the West End. WE lived on a houseboat at Richmond at the time and don't recall much distress there.

The big thing I remenber is getting by pretty well on limited money including travelling to Greece and living on the islands for some three months.
 
Old Apr 15th 2013 | 6:55 pm
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So what did Thatcher do for Scotland?
Eradicated the Scottish Tory voter...who at one time was quite numerous?
 
Old Apr 15th 2013 | 7:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
One thing I have never understood is why did more of these mines not reopen after the unions were broken? UK still has a few mines operating, but only some of them are truly profitable, the rest are marginal and probably going to close. If more mines were cost effective they would be working today.
As I understood a number were in no condition to reopen. What with flooding and lack of maintainence. Perhaps no government was willing to chance it again.
Besides the importation of Polish coal started under Thatcher supplied the necessary coal.
 
Old Apr 15th 2013 | 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by scottishcelts
It's not. The whole Thatcher thing is being blown out of proportion because she is dead. Shouldn't excuse her past. She was a flipping nutter.
In your opinion as a victim of circumstance.
I did very well under Thatcher along with many other construction workers [remember loadsamoney Harry Enfields plasterer character] I certainly didn't agree with everything she did but you and your ilk are in the minority regarding Thatcher, if you weren't she'd not have won 3 consecutive elections.
To celebrate someone's death by cracking champagne in the street & burning effigies is sick & shows just how low some people are prepared to sink.
To compare Thatcher to Hitler is ludicrous. Thatcher didn't send 6 million Scots to the gas chambers, if she had we'd never have voted her out
 
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Originally Posted by Zen10
You should consider that people are entitled to express their opinions on here, even if you find them to be disagreeable. Also, to argue that Thatcher deliberately set out to destroy things is ridiculous. She had to face an electorate, for one thing.
Not forgetting she devided the working class vote to gain approval.(selling council houses and tough on immigration)
Not as ridiculous perhaps when considered. Thatcher certainly wanted to as near enough destroy the unions ,regardless of one's personal opinion on unions.
 
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Originally Posted by Amazulu
Like the Falklands, our war (my war) agains the Communists in Angola/Namibia was one of the many factors that contributed to the end of the USSR and the Cold War
Not very successful by any measurement then. I think you'll find those wars were nationalistic in tone and had nothing to do with the end of the cold war although the cost hurried the demise of old South Africa.
 
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So what did Thatcher do for Scotland?
What did the Romans ever do for us?

Well Hadrian built that nice big wall for one
 
Old Apr 15th 2013 | 7:23 pm
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
While she called Mandella a terrorist she handed over Rhodesia/Zimbabwe to a mass murderer as couldn't wait to rub her hands of that country.
Double standards would hardly describe it.
By the time Thatcher came to power Rhodesia had already gone past the point of return. To try and backtrack at that stage would have been very messy and very costly - and don't forget, Britain was broke. Shame though, it was a very fine country.
 
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Some people thought similar of Hitler.
Some even think Zuma is doing a fair enough job in modern South Africa.
 
Old Apr 15th 2013 | 7:44 pm
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Originally Posted by scottishcelts
It's not. The whole Thatcher thing is being blown out of proportion because she is dead. Shouldn't excuse her past. She was a flipping nutter.
I detest the hero worship around that woman. Changes were already in place in Britain prior to her electon. If someone with an intellect like Keith Joseph had became Tory PM the whole process would have likely have been conducted with intelligence.

Sad thing being if that Falklands bussiness hadn't flared up,Thatcher would be but a foot note in history.A rather negative one at that.

Anyone else have some concerns about that business? I hold some doubts but will keep them to myself.

I don't think she was a nutter though. A rather very calculating woman who knew exactly the image she wished to cultivate and be remembered.
 
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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
So what did Thatcher do for Scotland?
I'm sure that nation's oil wealth came in handy paying the idealogical repercussions of Maggie's policies especially the massively swelled ranks of unemployed.
 
Old Apr 15th 2013 | 7:53 pm
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Originally Posted by the troubadour
Not very successful by any measurement then. I think you'll find those wars were nationalistic in tone and had nothing to do with the end of the cold war although the cost hurried the demise of old South Africa.
Many things contributed to the end of the cold war. Our war in Namibia/Angola was one small part of this (failure of the USSR to dominate Africa - domino principal). As was the Falklands.
 
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Eradicated the Scottish Tory voter...who at one time was quite numerous?
I think there is still one Scottish MP going? If so 100% too many.Think SNP guys while there is still some oil left.
 
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In your opinion as a victim of circumstance.
I did very well under Thatcher along with many other construction workers [remember loadsamoney Harry Enfields plasterer character] I certainly didn't agree with everything she did but you and your ilk are in the minority regarding Thatcher, if you weren't she'd not have won 3 consecutive elections.
To celebrate someone's death by cracking champagne in the street & burning effigies is sick & shows just how low some people are prepared to sink.
To compare Thatcher to Hitler is ludicrous. Thatcher didn't send 6 million Scots to the gas chambers, if she had we'd never have voted her out
People don't get why Thatcher and Hitler are sometimes found in the same sentence. Both were conviction politicians, nothing to do with gas chambers
 


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