arkon

Thanks, that's a good article and well worth the read.

iPom

Perhaps, but the point is that when the Dead Sea scrolls were found, for example, the scripts which had been copied from them (which had already been translated) were fairly identical ... esp in doctrine, which is what's being discussed here.

You might often see italics in certain versions of the bible too... those aren't put there for emphasis... That's where English words have been added in to make more sense of the scripture. So make of that what you will!
I am not saying there are no problems with translation ... I'm just saying it's not as messy or as random as people believe.

Hutch

The other day I ducked out of a kids birthday party at McDonalds (I know, classy) - and was sitting in the car listening to the radio. Got piss bored of Triple J and the poptastic delights of Power FM and tuned to the ABC local radio. There was a guy on there who studied the greek language with a reading group and, by way of a source text, he used to work from the original Greek translation of the bible. He was saying that even the most basic parts of christianity, such as the Trinity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (or Holy Goat as my local priest used to confusingly say in his strong Irish accent) can be reinterpreted in fundamental ways. The Holy Ghost, according to the way he reads it, was never intended to be like some ghostly form that went about doing God's work ... instead it was more of an essence, a feeling, a spirit of humanity etc. There were loads more examples, but it just reinforced how utterly hilarious it is that anyone can quote from the bible as if it's supposed to prove something. Chinese whispers the lot of it ...

moneypenny20

You mean Stig may not be real

northerner

I'm getting bored of this thread, but this is precisely what I think of as the Holy Ghost. I don't think it's something that would feature on 'Britains most haunted' or whatever.

Graham

Sally

His picture is in the British Museum!

I call for a new dating system - BS and AS (before and after Stig)

pommybird

Is it not possible to accept that not everything can be substantiated and proven by science and that sometimes even scientists can be mistaken. It wasn't that long ago that scientists thought the earth was flat, well they got that wrong!!

I'm not saying the bible is an accurate, verbatim account of what happened thousands of years ago but are we so immodest and do we have such a high opinion of our own intellect that we cannot comprehend that maybe, just maybe, there is the smallest possibility that something or someone may exist that is beyond our level of understanding.

Just because we cannot explain the existance of God and the life and work of Jesus away in scientific fact, does that mean that there is the not the remotest possibility that they did/do exist??

Sally

When was that then? even the Ancient Greeks knew the world was round.

walla

Are you lost?

Sally

Oh now I know what you mean!!

iPom

That's quite a common belief in Christianity because for years, people have found it too difficult to get their heads around the idea that little flames appeared over heads and people spoke in tongues. By 'dumbing' down the bible in that way, it has more of a mass appeal.
Fundamental christians, however, who believe they speak 'in tongues' (been there and seen lots of it) have no problem with the whole Trinity thing as they claim to experience it directly.

I don't think people do quote from a bible to prove anything. At least they haven't in the churches I've spent my life in. The book's there to pull examples from to continue the teaching of Jesus, simply.
There is no 'proof' in the bible, and people know that, which is why all religions (even those with nice fat books) are based on Faith.... which imo, is as transient as the Holy Ghost.

themerlin

Nope not the remotest!

arkon

Well if gods real then Stig must be too, I read it in a book and it says he lives in a big pit, and used glass bottles as windows to his den. I can't quote exact chapters because Stig doesn't have all those helpfull numbers scrawled on every line like the bible does.

arkon

Unsubscribe from it then, you know the link at the bottom of the page. OR if it's so boring try adding something of value to it.

moneypenny20

I think it's possibly one of the most interesting threads I seen for a long time. I do wonder why we have had no input from the truly religious. I assume they "believe" they will be bullied for their beliefs.