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Bix Aug 10th 2011 11:39 am

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 9551579)
I'm sure their parents are proud.:blink:


I'm sure their parent is proud. :frown:

Kooky. Aug 10th 2011 12:14 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 
My sister is a single parent and I don't hear of any of my nieces looting.

Bix Aug 10th 2011 12:24 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by Seasider (Post 9551648)
My sister is a single parent and I don't hear of any of my nieces looting.

You missed my subtlety. ;)

I was calling them barstewards.

Kooky. Aug 10th 2011 12:28 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by Bix (Post 9551660)
You missed my subtlety. ;)

I was calling them barstewards.

Sorry yes, I did, and they are, although it's not the first time it's been brought up.

spartacus Aug 10th 2011 12:34 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by Seasider (Post 9551667)
Sorry yes, I did, and they are, although it's not the first time it's been brought up.

He's talking about the perps not your nieces.

Kooky. Aug 10th 2011 12:36 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by spartacus (Post 9551680)
He's talking about the perps not your nieces.

Oh I guess they are too, to some. At least they all have the same father :lol:

moneypenny20 Aug 10th 2011 12:36 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by spartacus (Post 9551680)
He's talking about the perps not your nieces.

How do you know? He could have had a personality bypass and be in a really vindictive mood. :sneaky::rofl:

Swerv-o Aug 10th 2011 12:45 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by Amazulu (Post 9550025)
This post is not intended as a Australia v UK one, although I'm sure many on here will make it so (do what you gotta do haters). Sadly, these riots are a damning indictment of what UK society has become. Too many years of PC government, soft policing, a too liberal judicary, the endless welfare state, multiculturalism, non-integration, the breakdown of the family unit, the lack of respect from a lot of the population, the fact that a career in the UK now requires a degree, the destruction of the working-class. This has bred a generation with no values, no father figures or role models, a dependence on welfare, a lack of respect for the institutions of state, a belief that nothing has to be worked for, nothing to work towards, no ambition, 'what's the point?', a total under-class.

In other words a f**ked up generation.

It's a mess.


I agree with some of the issues in this post, but not all. I sadly think that the system of inclusion where 'everyone can be a winner' needs to stop. It may well be warm and fluffy, but it teaches kids the wrong thing IMHO.

Kids at school need to realise that life is hard, and that they will need to work to achieve things - it isn't all handed to them on a plate. All this "You can be whatever you want" BS ends up filling their heads with unrealistic nonsense.

The number of kids that I used to teach that genuinely, really and honestly thought they were going to go on and become premiership footballers was ridiculous. Yet they would sit through lessons flicking through magazines of sports cars deciding which ones they were going to buy. I wonder what they are doing now...

It must come as a very rude shock when they leave school with nothing, and discover that they have no skills and then face a life of handouts.

Though all this said, Channel 9 were reporting this morning that apparently one of the first cases of looting dealt with was a primary school teacher.

WTF?


S

Turban Explorer Aug 10th 2011 12:49 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 9551694)
I agree with some of the issues in this post, but not all. I sadly think that the system of inclusion where 'everyone can be a winner' needs to stop. It may well be warm and fluffy, but it teaches kids the wrong thing IMHO.

Kids at school need to realise that life is hard, and that they will need to work to achieve things - it isn't all handed to them on a plate. All this "You can be whatever you want" BS ends up filling their heads with unrealistic nonsense.

The number of kids that I used to teach that genuinely, really and honestly thought they were going to go on and become premiership footballers was ridiculous. Yet they would sit through lessons flicking through magazines of sports cars deciding which ones they were going to buy. I wonder what they are doing now...

It must come as a very rude shock when they leave school with nothing, and discover that they have no skills and then face a life of handouts.

Though all this said, Channel 9 were reporting this morning that apparently one of the first cases of looting dealt with was a primary school teacher.

WTF?


S

I heard on ABC radio it was a teacher's aide. Still....

Swerv-o Aug 10th 2011 12:53 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by Turban Explorer (Post 9551698)
I heard on ABC radio it was a teacher's aide. Still....


Maybe it was - I have searched, and can't find anything on it, and I don't really trust the efficacy of the journalism on the Today show.

In any case, if it's true, I hope they lose their job. They can have no moral authority to set an example to kids in school with that sort of conviction...


S

chris955 Aug 10th 2011 12:55 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 
At sports days at our kids school basically just about everyone gets a 'Well done for taking part' ribbon. :D


Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 9551694)
I agree with some of the issues in this post, but not all. I sadly think that the system of inclusion where 'everyone can be a winner' needs to stop. It may well be warm and fluffy, but it teaches kids the wrong thing IMHO.

Kids at school need to realise that life is hard, and that they will need to work to achieve things - it isn't all handed to them on a plate. All this "You can be whatever you want" BS ends up filling their heads with unrealistic nonsense.


S


moneypenny20 Aug 10th 2011 12:57 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by Swerv-o (Post 9551694)
I agree with some of the issues in this post, but not all. I sadly think that the system of inclusion where 'everyone can be a winner' needs to stop. It may well be warm and fluffy, but it teaches kids the wrong thing IMHO.

Kids at school need to realise that life is hard, and that they will need to work to achieve things - it isn't all handed to them on a plate. All this "You can be whatever you want" BS ends up filling their heads with unrealistic nonsense.

I'd say, from the experiences my two have been/are going through, things are changing. Their school has, since they've been there anyway, always pushed that they'll get nothing if they don't put the time and effort in now and that they can only hope to achieve anything if they get off their arses and work bloody hard. How commonplace that is though, I have no idea.

TiddlyPom Aug 10th 2011 1:03 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by Rambi (Post 9551539)
In 6 months time they'll be rioting again because "the government don't give us no shops or nothing". :(

I love that one of them doesn't even know who the government is. :rofl: So thick!

unfair dinkum Aug 10th 2011 1:05 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 9551706)
At sports days at our kids school basically just about everyone gets a 'Well done for taking part' ribbon. :D

TBH Chris, why not?

Not all kids are sporty. If you ram it down their throats that they're crap they'll lose interest.
I don't think the current malaise has anything to do with kids being molly coddled at all. I think it's the opposite, total lack of self esteem from having shit parents, being branded as scum by the older generation, and of course having not much of a future to look forward to.

I'm not excusing any of the actions of the thugs etc, just that I think a lot of the knee jerk bumpf people are spouting (lock 'em up, shoot 'em, take away their council house, make 'em do national service) is just harking back to a rose tinted bygone era.......

paddyo Aug 10th 2011 1:07 pm

Re: common link to the riots
 

Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 9551706)
At sports days at our kids school basically just about everyone gets a 'Well done for taking part' ribbon. :D

That is completely different, the whole point of that is to be non exclusive and to promote participation regardless of finish position. Its the taking part that counts, surely thats a good thing???


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