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I've been following the "troubles" in the Uk today on the internet and the radio news. After all the in depth analysis etc by the experts there doesn't seem to be any thing to link the rioters/protestors together except that they all seem to be from a lower socio economic group.

Why don't the powers that be get one of their supercomputers to work on the problem. You know analyse the video footage, arrest sheets etc and try to be a bit more specific about who these offenders are.

At the moment after watching the footage on the TV when I got home the only link seems to be that the rioters look out of place north of Africa and West of the middle east.

Surely it can't be as simple as that? If it was why didn't the hundreds of "experts" who have given their 2 bobs worthmention it.

Keel

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They're a breed of the current society. Colour of skin has nothing to do with it.

It's the generation of 'I want it now, I'll have it now'. This is down to laziness, lack of discipline and lack of role models.

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Is it Germany were they spray rioters with blue dye? Then they arrest at leisure later on. :thumbsup:

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.....and lack of parents.

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It also doesn't help when the government make huge cuts to youth services....

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Youth services? hmmm? don't think they existed when I was a yoof. :)

Admitedly that was in 1876.

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They didn't when I was a youth either, but in my spare time I played football or done boxing or ran. Seems like kids today need their hands holding all the time. But that's a fact of life unfortunately.

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Which comes back to the lack of parents.......or parental guidance.

Actually it's also lack of discipline in the home and schools.
PC brigade should be on the front line of this.

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Agreed and unwillingness or inability of the police to enforce the law on the ground in normal circumstances. IMO of course.

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Weak communities all round. PCs are needed on the streets.

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Don't blame the schools- they have been handicapped by successive governments and PC legislation. They are not allowed to punish pupils for fear of them either sueing for breach of their human rights, or being beaten up by aggressive parents/relatives/siblings.

I got out of teaching as soon as I could.

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It might sound old-fashioned, but I honestly think 'gangsta rap' and other similar music genres positively encourage behaviour like this. I'd ban it.

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You can check out some of the thugs on the Met Police Flickr photograph group if you want.

I think this is a combination of an essentially Tory leadership, a country in recession, massive cuts to public services, policing, schools etc, combined with high unemployment.
People in England have a history of rioting, going right back to the 1700's. It usually happens when the economy sucks...
Lower socio-economic groupings are more likely to feel the brunt of it, more likely to be disaffected by it, and less able to express themselves in any mature way other than doing something stupid/aggressive.
I think it's just a sign of the times. The shooting was just a spark which kicked it all off.
Looking at previous riots, Toxteth riots, The Brixton riots.. it's usually started because of a 'minority' group, rallying against those 'in power' and it's usually attached to a period of economic instability. It's usually kicked off by something such as seemingly wrongful actions by police or government in general.
Whilst this is horrible, I just think it's symptomatic of the way the Tory gov makes people feel.

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Agree with this. I don't see anything else here beyond troublemaking for the sake of. I think that's probably a great pity. There's not even anything that they are protesting about - just thuggery and theivery for the sake of it.

But, I dare say it's been coming for a long time. When I was in The Job, this sort of behaviour was often seen from youths in the streets, but on a much smaller scale - groups of anything from 10-30. I particularly recall that they would steal cars, thrash them around the estate, then set light to them. When the fire service came, they would then throw bottles and stones at them.

I think that it's a triumvairate of causation - very poor parenting, where parents view and teach their children that authority is to be challenged at all opportunities, schools unable to effectively discipline and a police and court system that simply allows them to get away with too much through either lack of resources and/or lack of sentencing backbone.

I hope that this highlights that the softly softly approach really doesn't work.


S

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There was some rather odd coverage of it last night (aus) about 8pm. Said Australia is used to immigrants, UK has not had to deal with them:confused:.

Funny that given the most diverse population of the UK and the arrival of thousands of immigrants in all eras.

Really amazed at how little research is put into the news sometimes.

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Great idea. In a country that has to drastically cut government spending or become Greece mk2, and is cutting defence, police, health, education, they should keep spending big on 'youth services'.

I don't think most of these pricks are doing what they are doing because they don't have a pool table.

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If they didn't have a pool table before, they'll have acquired one in the past three days or so... ;)

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This, and the "violent video games" arguement, is absolute rubbish. If you are so old fashioned you would know that there were race riots in Notting Hill in 1976. Which music genre encouraged that?

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Bob Marley.... ; )

Though seriously the NH riots aren't considered race riots. Those in NH during 1958 were race based though.

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These jerks are rioting because they're sheep who're being led by bigger jerks. Poverty, lack of 'youth services', race etc are nothing to do with it.

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A similar thing to what was being discussed on a talkback radio show here in Perth. The host was implying that the riots are a result of out of control immigration in the UK, and that if the boat people problem is resolved the same will happen here.

The ignorance absolutely beggars belief.

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Utterly. This certainly has nothing to do with immigration. I will concede that the UK probably does deal with more economic migration than Australia, but the majority of this is legal, with people moving across the EU borders as they have every right to do - for example the Poles and Czechs.

That really is pure fearmongering on behalf of the talkback presenters. Dispicable.


S

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Economic hardship and social unrest make great bedfellows.

In the words of Shirley Bassey and the Propellor Heads...

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And who are leading a riot because.... ;)

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Any ideas on why, so far, this is happening in English cities?

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... it serves their political agenda.:D

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Is there an agenda or is it random opportunism?

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I'm with you Ivan... it's random opportunism.

This is interesting:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14463452

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I agree. There's no plan or strategy here, just widespread disorder and opportunism.

There may well be an element of direction from social networking as to where the police are too stretched to deal with events effectively, but beyond that I don't believe that there are any 'leaders' as such.


S

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It's the only country doing it tough.:rolleyes:

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To be fair, the majority of the rioters are black, if there hadn't been a wave of post-war immigration from the Caribbean then these riots would not be happening.

I admire black British people, they take NO SHIT whatsoever, contrast these riots with the pansy student protests when all the cops have to do is "kettle" the cowering crowd. Rub them up the wrong way or "disrespect" them and you have a big situation on your hands.

I'm not condoning whats going on but you have to either be naive or are ignoring the racial aspect deliberately.

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Because they are in England?

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Blimey! Have you done a count? :ohmy:

You can't blame this on post-war immigration! That's the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard you say. :rofl:

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Not sure if that was a deliberately dumb response so I'll elaborate.

Why's this happening in England and not in other parts of the UK (so far)?

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No, but I've got eyes. It was the same in the 80's riots only back then they referred to them as "race riots" because the majority taking part were black. They are not referring to race this time because people are terrified of the PC brigade.

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Perhaps the Scots, Irish and Welsh are all just over rioting.

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Surely the economics must be similar?

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Give it time.....

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Hence "so far".

It's taking it's time.

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I am seeing plenty of white people in these photographs... plenty of white looters and rioters and plenty of black. If you say this is only what you see with your own eyes, then presumably you'd believe anything else the media gives you to look at? Everything is skewed by them given their agenda.

The English like a good riot... it's in the blood. They've been rioting well before any Caribbean people arrived in the country.