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Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by cresta57
(Post 10527075)
The current system is somewhat silly. To qualify for federal funding roads & bridges need to be replaced exactly as they were. Up here we had a bridge wash away in 2011. It cost 6 million to replace [federal assistance provided] It washed away last week just three weeks after completion. To qualify for more funding it has to be rebuilt to the same design again.
Surely it would be easier to build it higher as engineers had suggested. Nope then it won't get federal funding. :thumbdown: The LGA has to pay a percentage towards the cost in any case. and if they wish to "ïmprove" or move the asset then they have to pay the extra. NDRRA can only fund (from a combination of Federal and State funding) the reinstatement of the original. The "betterment" portion has to be worn by the council, and the problem is that many councils are unable to find the money. There were a lot of bridges like that one which really should have been rebuild higher after TC Tasha in 2010/11 but the councils simply couldn't afford it. Of course the obvious idea is for then Federal Govt to change the NDRRA Determination to allow more funding for betterment, but then where do you stop - how much betterment should be allowed? |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by Pollyana
(Post 10527258)
Not quite that black and white.....if the Local Government Area concerned wishes to improve the bridge/road/culvert/etc then they can do so - however, this is then called "betterment" and is not wholly eligible for funding under the Natural Disaster Relief and Recovery scheme.
The LGA has to pay a percentage towards the cost in any case. and if they wish to "ïmprove" or move the asset then they have to pay the extra. NDRRA can only fund (from a combination of Federal and State funding) the reinstatement of the original. The "betterment" portion has to be worn by the council, and the problem is that many councils are unable to find the money. There were a lot of bridges like that one which really should have been rebuild higher after TC Tasha in 2010/11 but the councils simply couldn't afford it. Of course the obvious idea is for then Federal Govt to change the NDRRA Determination to allow more funding for betterment, but then where do you stop - how much betterment should be allowed? Surely enough betterment so that it doesn't wash away again? S |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 10527415)
Surely enough betterment so that it doesn't wash away again?
S |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
(Post 10528209)
What's the bet, noone can bet how much better than betterment is enough?
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 10527415)
Surely enough betterment so that it doesn't wash away again?
S Anyone suffering from insomnia can read up on NDRRA here - just don't trip over the red tape! |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 10523021)
Yes, this ground my gears when I was studying. My course book was $120 in the university bookshop - written and published in Australia - yet, I managed to find it online in the US for $40 less, including postage.
So it was written and published here, shipped to the US, warehoused and stored there, then shipped back to me and it's still nearly 70% cheaper than the University Bookshop, which is meant to be run for the benefit of the students :confused: Absolute madness. Hats off to the kids if they are scanning and distributing PDF versions. This seems quite reasonable in the face of such blatant gouging. S |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 10528438)
Sonny Jim went to a second hand uni book sale today where he snapped up a few bargains. What struck him is how many editions some of these books have been pushed out over a short timespan - six editions over less than ten years. And the pdf versions? ...None to be found anywhere.
And yes, finding the scanned copies of the books isn't easy unless you are in the know, for obvious reasons. A collective and a cheap book scanner is the approved mechanism to overcome this if you really don't have the inside track - hell, in the US there are commercial firms set up specifically to scan books at $0.1 per page - for the lazy student collectives. |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 10529349)
They push out a new edition every year, basically. They move a few bits around, change a few bits, just so the lecturer can say "you have to have edition 23 because my references are not appropriate to the old edition". The idea, obviously, is to kill the second hand market and get the lecturer a bit more cash.
And yes, finding the scanned copies of the books isn't easy unless you are in the know, for obvious reasons. A collective and a cheap book scanner is the approved mechanism to overcome this if you really don't have the inside track - hell, in the US there are commercial firms set up specifically to scan books at $0.1 per page - for the lazy student collectives. Does the same kind of practice (over-priced uni books) exist in the UK? It didn't in 2007 when I was studying for my degree. |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 10529529)
Makes sense, I guess. Any easy-to-find pdf versions would have been made unavailable using legal means by the uni book rip-off merchants who are protecting their highly lucrative income streams.
Does the same kind of practice (over-priced uni books) exist in the UK? It didn't in 2007 when I was studying for my degree. No It's largely Australia's ridiculous publishing regulations - Wholesalers and merchants are obliged to purchase copy from Australian distributors, who mark up the costs. A bookshop isn't allowed to supply cheap copies obtained from overseas if there is an Australian publisher supplying the same article. Nice little protection racket if you can get into it. S |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 10529538)
No It's largely Australia's ridiculous publishing regulations - Wholesalers and merchants are obliged to purchase copy from Australian distributors, who mark up the costs. A bookshop isn't allowed to supply cheap copies obtained from overseas if there is an Australian publisher supplying the same article.
Nice little protection racket if you can get into it. S |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 10529538)
No It's largely Australia's ridiculous publishing regulations - Wholesalers and merchants are obliged to purchase copy from Australian distributors, who mark up the costs. A bookshop isn't allowed to supply cheap copies obtained from overseas if there is an Australian publisher supplying the same article.
Yep, often the books sold here will be printed in the UK, then put on a pallet and shipped, by ship, to Oz. When you are an afterthought at the end of a long supply line, you get the scraps and had better well have a decent profit margin to be worth the effort. |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by Zen10
(Post 10529671)
Which is why Aussie is probably going to be the first county in the world to have no bookshops - seriously. They're closing at a rate of knots in Adelaide because everyone just buys their books from Amazon.com.
Other countries will follow. |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by GarryP
(Post 10529692)
Part of the issue is also that Oz is such a small market it's generally not worth actually printing the books here. Much easier to have a worthwhile print run, and get the economies of scale, if they are printed elsewhere and shipped to Oz. And where do they print proper English language versions of the book?
Yep, often the books sold here will be printed in the UK, then put on a pallet and shipped, by ship, to Oz. When you are an afterthought at the end of a long supply line, you get the scraps and had better well have a decent profit margin to be worth the effort. |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 10529695)
Sad but a fact of life/economics - I only buy online and have done for many year (I was using Amazon before they had a UK operation). Perth CBD has gone from 3 bookstores to 1.
Other countries will follow. |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by Swerv-o
(Post 10529538)
No It's largely Australia's ridiculous publishing regulations - Wholesalers and merchants are obliged to purchase copy from Australian distributors, who mark up the costs. A bookshop isn't allowed to supply cheap copies obtained from overseas if there is an Australian publisher supplying the same article.
Nice little protection racket if you can get into it. S |
Re: Aussie rips offs
Originally Posted by Zen10
(Post 10529701)
I only use Amazon. Would never think of paying Australian prices for books. It's madness paying $50 for something I can get for $20 and delivered in days.
Yes, but how come they don't see it? How come the book publishers continue to lobby government to maintain their ridiculous monopoly position WRT booksellers? I don't see how they can fail to understand the economics of it. Same with that tw@t Jerry Harvey - How can he not see that it's far more than just the GST? Even Dymocks want the book purchasing monopoly abolished - so they have evidently seen the writing on the wall. S |
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