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Old Dec 8th 2004, 5:47 am
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Yes - I returned to the land of the living.
Australia's the the land of the living because unlike the UK we get enough sunlight each year to support life.
 
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Originally Posted by wombat42
It must of been dreadful for you wasting all those years of your life rotting away in this hell hole at the end of the earth, in your 5 bedroomed house and 350K salary, l hope one day you will be able to recover from your dreadful experience.
Pay attention. I was in Sydney, not Hell Hole (an Adelaide suburb).
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Old Dec 8th 2004, 7:30 am
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Spot on. Oz is full of people that have been to the University of Life - after finishing at the School of Hard Knocks bullsh*t.

Professionals that care about their careers should look elsewhere.

Oz has little to offer people that need more than the brain-dead pursuits of footy, BBQs, beaches and Tupperware parties.
Footy BBQs and beaches might be brainless pursuits OZ has to offer
but it sounds better then slaving away in some overworked professional career and dieing of some stress related illness in your 40's or 50's.

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Footy BBQs and beaches might be brainless pursuits OZ has to offer
but it sounds better then slaving away in some overworked professional career and dieing of some stress related illness in your 40's or 50's.
Down under you can have suburban barbies, 4wds and an even more overworked career. You then have the stress of wondering if your 4wd is the still the biggest in the street and whether your BBQ is still the doogies ball bags of al fresco cooking.
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Originally Posted by Mel Gibson
Footy BBQs and beaches might be brainless pursuits OZ has to offer
but it sounds better then slaving away in some overworked professional career and dieing of some stress related illness in your 40's or 50's.
Now that you've finished making "The Passion...", you've probably got some spare time on your hands. Try doing some research : you'll find out that your "overworked professionals" live longer than VB-swigging, carbon-munching, remote control jockeys.

You won't have much time for research - Aussies work some of the longest hours in the western world.

Fact.
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Hey thanks for that. Glad to hear of some examples of young adults in Adelaide getting onto courses that are in high demand. Don't get me wrong, I had what I thought were some excellent schools lined up for our kids (Sacred Heart College being the secondary school - www.shcs.sa.edu.au).

My worry, however, is mainly about what they do when they have finished their formal education. Can I ask what you are studying and whether you think you and your friends will be able to find jobs in Adelaide when you have graduated?

Note that I am very familiar with Adelaide. My grandmother emigrated there in the late 1950s and I've visited there more times than I can remember. I worked there for 6 months in the late 1980s but when I emigrated to Australia in the early 1990s I headed to Sydney because I couldn't see any prospects for me in Adelaide.

I guess the Universities will have some records of where their graduates end up. I wonder how many get graduate jobs in Adelaide?
Hi Sack of Spuds Sacred Heart is a good private secondary school, though on the small side. I'm studying languages and media with views to becoming a translator or journalist. I think my friends are optimistic about finding jobs here, I know one of them who is studying law has done some work experience at a firm already and she's working as a receptionist part time there while she's studying. My friends who are studying health and medicine are confident about finding jobs here because there are always people needed in the medical professions. I think one of them wants to end up doing forensic lab research as well.

I know you are concerned about your kids moving away to study or work in another city, and truthfully some kids do. But this is often due to ultra specific course or job requirements, or getting a scholarship, etc. For example, people might go to other cities to do a specific specialist surgeon job, just like people from other cities come here to Adelaide to do specialist medical jobs that can't be found anywhere else in the country--the hospitals are heavily involved in research and are at the international forefront of various types of medicine. I fully intend to get a job here, because I much prefer Adelaide to Melbourne or Sydney. But that's just me. I haven't been to any of the other cities, so I can't comment on them
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Pay attention. I was in Sydney, not Hell Hole (an Adelaide suburb).
Mike you spent 12 years - there must be a postive somewhere. Either that, or bitterness.

Australia is not that bad. It's hardly a third world country, have you been to Latin America or Africa?

If Sydney was such a career backwater, how were you able to get a high flying job in London?

Generally, its all what you make it.

Like you, I do management consultancy type work with a technical slant. I also lived in Luxembourg like you. I had a great career in London, but despite stats, I am better off here for a number of reasons. The things for example, that are free - and or cannot be costed. Maybe I am more well-rounded than you, and so that I can appreciate more than just being a middle class professional. I'm also a firefighter, a sportsman, have been a teacher, and a physical training instructor. It also means I can relate to people from all walks of life. It's all experience in my view.

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Old Dec 8th 2004, 10:01 am
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Now that you've finished making "The Passion...", you've probably got some spare time on your hands. Try doing some research : you'll find out that your "overworked professionals" live longer than VB-swigging, carbon-munching, remote control jockeys.

You won't have much time for research - Aussies work some of the longest hours in the western world.

Fact.
Sorry l'm too busy making Lethal Weapon 5 .

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Old Dec 8th 2004, 10:51 am
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Hi Sack of Spuds Sacred Heart is a good private secondary school, though on the small side. I'm studying languages and media with views to becoming a translator or journalist.
Have you looked into the number of journalism or translating jobs in Adelaide? The Advertiser seems to get most of its news from Mr Rupert Murdoch's main paper, The Australian and, even though I believe Rupert's dad and therefore the News International empire started up in Adelaide, I somehow doubt it's the hub of his operations in Australia, though I stand to be corrected.

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I think my friends are optimistic about finding jobs here, I know one of them who is studying law has done some work experience at a firm already and she's working as a receptionist part time there while she's studying. My friends who are studying health and medicine are confident about finding jobs here because there are always people needed in the medical professions.
Yup, I appreciate there is always a demand for GPs (doctors) - there's always a minimum number per head of population and Adelaide is famous for its hospitals. It's early days but statistically it's unlikely my kids will be doctors. No family history of it for a start!

As for legal jobs, I'd be interested to see the figures of law graduates staying in SA.

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I fully intend to get a job here
Best of luck to you and thanks for the response so far. I have tonight emailed the Careers dept at the Uni of Adelaide asking about this very topic. They publish a Graduate Destinations report - http://www.adelaide.edu.au/opq/surveys/GDS_adu2002.pdf - showing the type of jobs that their graduates get, but not the whereabouts. As you'd expect there are a fair few fast food operators in there amongst the Arts graduates and I expect they are all working locally. However, it's the graduates who gain graduate level jobs I'm interested in hearing about.
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Originally Posted by bondipom
Down under you can have suburban barbies, 4wds and an even more overworked career. You then have the stress of wondering if your 4wd is the still the biggest in the street and whether your BBQ is still the doogies ball bags of al fresco cooking.
Absolutely! Same sh*t, different bucket or whatever someone on here has as their tag line.
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Absolutely! Same sh*t, different bucket or whatever someone on here has as their tag line.
Indeed. It what you make it, or make of it.

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Originally Posted by MikeStanton
I feel duty-bound to correct the occasionally far-fetched and ludicrous postings that attempt to draw Oz in such a positive light compared with the UK.
You're under no obligation Mike - what some of us find amusing is why you choose to do it.

So often.


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Old Dec 8th 2004, 1:04 pm
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You're under no obligation Mike - what some of us find amusing is why you choose to do it.

So often.




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Because he is trying to justify his decision to move back to the UK, which he now regrets.
 
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You're under no obligation Mike - what some of us find amusing is why you choose to do it.

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Very true!!! As I have said, noone minds open views - they are invited. Bondipom and Jad and Rich maintain balance and they are popular. are they like Mike?

But channelled constant negative feedback can only depress and annoy people, or draw their attention to a very bitter person.

What gets me about Mike - and I have gone off the handle with him - is that he is very similar to me - we're both ambitious professionals with a bit of go, both private sector/luxembourg workers How ironic!! I am less ''ambitious'' now -but give me a goal and I will go and get it.

Mike annoys because he is pedantic, aggressive, in a negative manner. He pretends to give the alternative view - but Jad and Rich and many others do that politely, and with humour, too.

If I can do well here in Australia then the problem must lie with Mike, not with Australia. My success lies, I honestly believe - that despite being a middle class professional, to the fact I can relate to most people, whereas Mike cannot. That is why I get so annoyed with him.(!) I probably would have many things in common with Mike, and would buy him a beer....if I were to meet him, but I can also mix with the footie types that Mike hates..

He once said things were above my head, but I think many things are above his..

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Old Dec 9th 2004, 12:23 am
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What gets me about Mike - and I have gone off the handle with him - is that he is very similar to me - we're both ambitious professionals with a bit of go, both private sector/luxembourg workers How ironic!! I am less ''ambitious'' now -but give me a goal and I will go and get it.

Mike annoys because he is pedantic, aggressive, in a negative manner. He pretends to give the alternative view - but Jad and Rich and many others do that politely, and with humour, too.

If I can do well here in Australia then the problem must lie with Mike, not with Australia. My success lies, I honestly believe - that despite being a middle class professional, to the fact I can relate to most people, whereas Mike cannot. That is why I get so annoyed with him.(!) I probably would have many things in common with Mike, and would buy him a beer....if I were to meet him, but I can also mix with the footie types that Mike hates..

He once said things were above my head, but I think many things are above his..

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Badge - did I once say things were above your head?

My memory must be going; I thought I said it on a few occasions....

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