Van Nguyen Execution
#76
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but it changes the hormonal balances, and makes them lose interest in sex.
Originally Posted by Shellfish
Unfortunately, I don't believe that helps. You don't need a penis to rape someone, there have been stories of women being raped with bottles etc. 

#77
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Paedophilia - permanent life - no parole. Simple as.
#78
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Originally Posted by brisnick
but it changes the hormonal balances, and makes them lose interest in sex.
I would like, along with many people, for them sick people to be castrated, would make me feel that some justice has been performed.... but liberals amongst us, say that perhaps they can be re-educated.... be gratefull for the Mental health act 1983 and sections...... much more restrcitive than prison sentences. Chop there bits off would be justice, and yes people not just women get raped with bottles, there are some sick people on this earth beleive me, I know, I work with them ,I am a MH nurse and I am supposed to be impartial, but how can I be, I am human.
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#79
Originally Posted by dshole
Do you know any thing about Heroin addiction?
#80
Originally Posted by brisnick
but it changes the hormonal balances, and makes them lose interest in sex.
#81
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i don't totally agree with that
Originally Posted by Shellfish
But rape isn't about sex it's about power
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Originally Posted by brisnick
i don't totally agree with that
which bit? that you dont agree with?
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that it's mostly about power, and not sex
Originally Posted by eljustino
which bit? that you dont agree with?
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#84
Originally Posted by brisnick
i don't totally agree with that
What is the point of having laws ? What is the point of saying that certain acts deserve certain punishments?
You are labelled a murderer if you kill someone. You serve your time according to the law of that land you committed the offence in. You take illegal drugs into a country..... you know the law..... the potential to kill hundreds or thousands of people is in YOUR hands. You decide to take the risk... no matter what the punishment...... if it's the death penalty...
You deserve to die...
To catch you is to potentially stop those deaths.... is to potentially deter someone else from taking that risk. Stop 2 of you and how many do not get addicted and how many lives are saved?
I would be horrified if it were my child, but how could I sleep at night knowing that this is what my child had become, and that all those innocents will be taken away coz of something that they had made available? Something they had taken somewhere for money. And again, how could you want your child to spend the rest of their days in those places anyway?
It's a tough call, but you have to think objectively about this. There is no right answer. The only way I see it is to imagine that that person is someone you love and take it from there. Family may be important, being proud of that family - how about that ??
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Originally Posted by Shellfish
He'll not get off. The Singapore govt have only ever let two people off a death sentence, both were women, one had a child and the other was dying of cancer.
I have been to several countries (Singapore, Maurituis, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain) which carry the death sentence for drug trafficking and even if you know that you can't possibly have any drugs on you, it's still unnerving going through customs. When my husband got his visa back for a business trip to Taiwan, when he opened his passport, there was a page stuck in his passport clearly detailing the implications if you are caught with drugs. Any one who does so must either be pretty stupid or incredibly desperate.
Initially, my response was the usual 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' but as the weeks of gone on and the press have put a human face to this story, I feel fear and sadness for him. He is a young man who has a week to live and I can't imagine what that must feel like. His life is over, his mother's life is ruined, his brother's life is ruined. I don't feel that drug mules are the ones who are the real problem, it's the drug lords who should be caught.
I don't think he deserves the death sentence but it's the law of the land, and he made a conscience decision and these are the repurcussions.
I have been to several countries (Singapore, Maurituis, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain) which carry the death sentence for drug trafficking and even if you know that you can't possibly have any drugs on you, it's still unnerving going through customs. When my husband got his visa back for a business trip to Taiwan, when he opened his passport, there was a page stuck in his passport clearly detailing the implications if you are caught with drugs. Any one who does so must either be pretty stupid or incredibly desperate.
Initially, my response was the usual 'don't do the crime if you can't do the time' but as the weeks of gone on and the press have put a human face to this story, I feel fear and sadness for him. He is a young man who has a week to live and I can't imagine what that must feel like. His life is over, his mother's life is ruined, his brother's life is ruined. I don't feel that drug mules are the ones who are the real problem, it's the drug lords who should be caught.
I don't think he deserves the death sentence but it's the law of the land, and he made a conscience decision and these are the repurcussions.
But he is not the first & certainly wont be the last.
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Just wondering, do you people who support the death penalty would also support it for tobacco sellers?
I think you will find that tobacco kills more people then "drugs"
How about we hang Bush, Howard and Blair etc for invading Iraq?
As Gandhi said "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and the whole world would soon be blind and toothless"
I think you will find that tobacco kills more people then "drugs"
How about we hang Bush, Howard and Blair etc for invading Iraq?
As Gandhi said "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and the whole world would soon be blind and toothless"
#87
As it happens, I think it's questionable whether capital punishment is appropriate for drug muling. However, it IS Singaporean policy and frankly nothing to do with another country. You take the risk and if caught in country A rather than B then perhaps you should have thought about it before trying it on.
In this case - and I'm referring to the reports - he was muling to get money to pay his brother's legal bills. His brother is reported to have incurred them because HE was caught doing the same thing.
If you take money from someone it's theft: if the government takes it, it's called a fine.
If you lock someone up, it's called kidnapping: if the government locks you up it's imprisonment.
If you kill someone it's murder: if the government does it's execution.
Apart from the depth of the penalties, it's exactly the same principle: the democratically elected state has a right to punish lawbreakers in such way that it deems appropriate.
IMO capital punishment is appropriate for first degree murder if only because it demonstrates the population' abhorrence at the taking of a life. And as for deterrence, I remember the fifties and the headlines then were not absolutely full of armed robberies, gun crimes and the like as they are now. Mainly because carrying a gun means that you might just use it - and the gallows were a powerful incentive to steer clear of THAT route. Nowadays the penalty for shooting your way out of arrest is likely to be little different to that for the robbery/rape or whatever, and killing a witness is probably a good idea in that case.
In singapore's case, Mr Lee once said "Yes, we ARE a dictatorship: the government says what should be done and every four* years the people are able to chuck the government out". (* four from memory)
Compare Singapore with just about any SE Asian state and it has the highest standard of living, the lowest crime and the safest streets. And the man in the street there appreciates it. When that American youth was sentenced to lashes for vandalising a car they were astounded that the US government tried to get leniency for a "small act of stupidity" - and so was I.
In this case - and I'm referring to the reports - he was muling to get money to pay his brother's legal bills. His brother is reported to have incurred them because HE was caught doing the same thing.
If you take money from someone it's theft: if the government takes it, it's called a fine.
If you lock someone up, it's called kidnapping: if the government locks you up it's imprisonment.
If you kill someone it's murder: if the government does it's execution.
Apart from the depth of the penalties, it's exactly the same principle: the democratically elected state has a right to punish lawbreakers in such way that it deems appropriate.
IMO capital punishment is appropriate for first degree murder if only because it demonstrates the population' abhorrence at the taking of a life. And as for deterrence, I remember the fifties and the headlines then were not absolutely full of armed robberies, gun crimes and the like as they are now. Mainly because carrying a gun means that you might just use it - and the gallows were a powerful incentive to steer clear of THAT route. Nowadays the penalty for shooting your way out of arrest is likely to be little different to that for the robbery/rape or whatever, and killing a witness is probably a good idea in that case.
In singapore's case, Mr Lee once said "Yes, we ARE a dictatorship: the government says what should be done and every four* years the people are able to chuck the government out". (* four from memory)
Compare Singapore with just about any SE Asian state and it has the highest standard of living, the lowest crime and the safest streets. And the man in the street there appreciates it. When that American youth was sentenced to lashes for vandalising a car they were astounded that the US government tried to get leniency for a "small act of stupidity" - and so was I.
#88
Originally Posted by dshole
Just wondering, do you people who support the death penalty would also support it for tobacco sellers?
I think you will find that tobacco kills more people then "drugs"
How about we hang Bush, Howard and Blair etc for invading Iraq?
As Gandhi said "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and the whole world would soon be blind and toothless"
I think you will find that tobacco kills more people then "drugs"
How about we hang Bush, Howard and Blair etc for invading Iraq?
As Gandhi said "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and the whole world would soon be blind and toothless"
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Originally Posted by Rog Williams
There is one tiny point that you seem to ignore - tobacco is legal........
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Originally Posted by Rog Williams
IMO capital punishment is appropriate for first degree murder if only because it demonstrates the population' abhorrence at the taking of a life.



