Van Nguyen Execution
#136
Originally Posted by Luke I Amyofath
Yes indeed, times HAVE moved on, but not in places like singapore. Tunnel vision is your option, one you use quite well.
#137
Originally Posted by Luke I Amyofath
Yes indeed, times HAVE moved on, but not in places like singapore. Tunnel vision is your option, one you use quite well.
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
If you don't like Singapore stay away. If someone else is stupid enough to go there with drugs strapped to him it's nothing to do with the Unions. Good grief when do some people stop poking their nose in business that doesn't concern them.
In case you havent noticed, its now the 21st century and while each country has its own laws, we are slowly moving towards a world where killing a person for a crime isnt acceptable.
You stay in your own narrow minded small world, but there is a world out there and no matter what you or the other pro-death people say here, one day there wont be any death penalty.
And before you say another word about this mans crime or the numbers of deaths caused by drugs, remember, its NOT about his crime, its about babarism that allows his death.
As for it not being any business of the union...... Well, they have every right to protest in trying to preserve life. Or is your mind so focused on what this trafficker did you are blind.
I would like to know exactly what your views are on life and how you would cope in a world full of people like yourself.
You mentioned something about reincarnation and that he may come back as an ant or beetle...... I think a few on this forum have already reincarnated into one hedgehog......... Lots of pricks on them hedgehogs
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Originally Posted by spalen
I dont live in singapore -I live in Brisbane, i dont consider the laws in singapore, china, uzbekistan, turkmenistan, d.r. congo to be my concern - and the point I was making is that this should not be the concern of a bunch of trade unionists.
#140
Originally Posted by Luke I Amyofath
Years ago in times of severe babarism all over the world youd only concern yourself about your own little community / clan etc
In case you havent noticed, its now the 21st century and while each country has its own laws, we are slowly moving towards a world where killing a person for a crime isnt acceptable.
You stay in your own narrow minded small world, but there is a world out there and no matter what you or the other pro-death people say here, one day there wont be any death penalty.
And before you say another word about this mans crime or the numbers of deaths caused by drugs, remember, its NOT about his crime, its about babarism that allows his death.
As for it not being any business of the union...... Well, they have every right to protest in trying to preserve life. Or is your mind so focused on what this trafficker did you are blind.
I would like to know exactly what your views are on life and how you would cope in a world full of people like yourself.
You mentioned something about reincarnation and that he may come back as an ant or beetle...... I think a few on this forum have already reincarnated into one hedgehog......... Lots of pricks on them hedgehogs
In case you havent noticed, its now the 21st century and while each country has its own laws, we are slowly moving towards a world where killing a person for a crime isnt acceptable.
You stay in your own narrow minded small world, but there is a world out there and no matter what you or the other pro-death people say here, one day there wont be any death penalty.
And before you say another word about this mans crime or the numbers of deaths caused by drugs, remember, its NOT about his crime, its about babarism that allows his death.
As for it not being any business of the union...... Well, they have every right to protest in trying to preserve life. Or is your mind so focused on what this trafficker did you are blind.
I would like to know exactly what your views are on life and how you would cope in a world full of people like yourself.
You mentioned something about reincarnation and that he may come back as an ant or beetle...... I think a few on this forum have already reincarnated into one hedgehog......... Lots of pricks on them hedgehogs

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Originally Posted by arkon
Crikey, I must be ill, because I actually am with you 100% on this one Luke. Killing someone out of revenge and retribution by the state was something our ancestors did and shouldn't have a place in modern society.
#142
Originally Posted by Luke I Amyofath
If you dont believe in anyone having rights, why are you in australia ?
Id like to know where your actions and activities were on the other 999 executions in the US and the other 420 singaporean executions ,and the ones in bali etc... or are you just jumping on this bullshit bandwagon... methinks the latter.
Feel free to post all the things you did for those other executions so we can be assured that we're all wrong and you are the paragon of preservation of others rights that you set yourself out to be.
Quite how you have interpreted my statements to suggest that I dont believe in others having rights and can correlate that to living in a western democracy is beyond me.
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Originally Posted by spalen
Quite how you have interpreted my statements to suggest that I dont believe in others having rights and can correlate that to living in a western democracy is beyond me.
Ummm, maybe this statement firstly:
Originally Posted by spalen
and the point I was making is that this should not be the concern of a bunch of trade unionists.
As for the other statements youve made regarding bali, us etc and the deaths there, I might ask you the same question as to where was your support for the murders was not that it matters.
Is it your view then that you as a person shouldnt commit even the smallest of crimes since somewhere in the world it would be seen as a majot crime ? Or you feel safe that you can commit a certain crime in your own country because you know the penalties are not babaric ?
Ever photocopied a page from a book for a uni course or downloaded copyrighted material ? I asked someone else this question, I believe the answer was a lie......
#144
Originally Posted by Luke I Amyofath
Years ago in times of severe babarism all over the world youd only concern yourself about your own little community / clan etc
In case you havent noticed, its now the 21st century and while each country has its own laws, we are slowly moving towards a world where killing a person for a crime isnt acceptable.
You stay in your own narrow minded small world, but there is a world out there and no matter what you or the other pro-death people say here, one day there wont be any death penalty.
And before you say another word about this mans crime or the numbers of deaths caused by drugs, remember, its NOT about his crime, its about babarism that allows his death.
As for it not being any business of the union...... Well, they have every right to protest in trying to preserve life. Or is your mind so focused on what this trafficker did you are blind.
I would like to know exactly what your views are on life and how you would cope in a world full of people like yourself.
You mentioned something about reincarnation and that he may come back as an ant or beetle...... I think a few on this forum have already reincarnated into one hedgehog......... Lots of pricks on them hedgehogs
In case you havent noticed, its now the 21st century and while each country has its own laws, we are slowly moving towards a world where killing a person for a crime isnt acceptable.
You stay in your own narrow minded small world, but there is a world out there and no matter what you or the other pro-death people say here, one day there wont be any death penalty.
And before you say another word about this mans crime or the numbers of deaths caused by drugs, remember, its NOT about his crime, its about babarism that allows his death.
As for it not being any business of the union...... Well, they have every right to protest in trying to preserve life. Or is your mind so focused on what this trafficker did you are blind.
I would like to know exactly what your views are on life and how you would cope in a world full of people like yourself.
You mentioned something about reincarnation and that he may come back as an ant or beetle...... I think a few on this forum have already reincarnated into one hedgehog......... Lots of pricks on them hedgehogs

#145
Originally Posted by britchicknyc
I have read most of this thread with great interest. (I'm a Brit in the USA - so really have no business on this board but....) This story has gripped me.
It is easy to get in to the death penalty debate right now, but the part that really got to me, was the method of execution.
Although I am 100% against the death penalty, when in a foreign country, (or your own for that matter) you must accept their rules. So my point here is no whether he should have been executed, but my particular horror at the hanging rather than lethal injection as is common here in the US.
That is what really bothered me. It just seems so very barbaric and something that should belong in the past. The mental torture leading up to it must have been horrific. That said would death by any method be any different?
The death penalty in general really seems to be making the news a lot at the moment, what with the 1000 execution coming up this week in the US.
In case anyones interested this case has not made any headlines here, but clearly has in Britain.
Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner just had their baby, so clearly that is far more important!!!!! ahhh... the wonderful US media!
It is easy to get in to the death penalty debate right now, but the part that really got to me, was the method of execution.
Although I am 100% against the death penalty, when in a foreign country, (or your own for that matter) you must accept their rules. So my point here is no whether he should have been executed, but my particular horror at the hanging rather than lethal injection as is common here in the US.
That is what really bothered me. It just seems so very barbaric and something that should belong in the past. The mental torture leading up to it must have been horrific. That said would death by any method be any different?
The death penalty in general really seems to be making the news a lot at the moment, what with the 1000 execution coming up this week in the US.
In case anyones interested this case has not made any headlines here, but clearly has in Britain.
Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner just had their baby, so clearly that is far more important!!!!! ahhh... the wonderful US media!
Lethal Injection Can Cause Excruciating Pain'
From the Beeb
Prisoners executed by lethal injection in the US may have been aware of what was happening to them, researchers claim.
A team from the University of Miami looked at information on anaesthesia and awareness in prisoners.
They suggest some suffer unnecessarily, and claim standards do not meet those for putting animals down.
The researchers, writing in the Lancet, call for the use of lethal injection to cease to prevent "unnecessary cruelty".
In America, lethal injection is the most common way that people are legally put to death, largely because it is seen as relatively humane and does not violate the US Constitution's Eight Amendment, which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
Prisoners are first given sodium thiopental, which acts as an anaesthetic before pancuronium bromide is given to cause paralysis. Potassium chloride is then given to cause death.
Without anaesthesia, the person would experience suffocation and excruciating pain - but would not be able to move.
The researchers collected information from the states of Texas and Virginia, where around 45% of executions in the US are carried out.
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For what it is worth, my view is that States/Countries etc should set an example and the highest possible moral standards. It should be wrong to kill anyone for any reason. Anything below the highest standard in this creates dilema and debate over the machinations and reasons behind all sorts of Illegal action.
Surely people on here, even the most ardent punitive supporter, must realise the fundamental base of human kind. "It is wrong to Kill" What is wrong with that being a Mandatory world law, with all "civilised states" leading the way.
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
Well in case you hadn't noticed some states in the USA are polishing up their electric chairs with a view to ramping up the number of execution. It is you who live in a narrow world. It's not barbarism, it is riding the world of scumbags which is a thoroughly decent thing to do.
A very sad man indeed, but I am happy the time when your kind was in the majority has long since past, centuries ago...
#147
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Arkon agrees with Luke.....I cannot believe it.
In fact anyone agreeing with Luke I cannot believe.
This bloke could have an arguement in a cupboard with himself.
Arkon agrees with Luke.....I cannot believe it.
In fact anyone agreeing with Luke I cannot believe.
This bloke could have an arguement in a cupboard with himself.
Originally Posted by arkon
Crikey, I must be ill, because I actually am with you 100% on this one Luke. Killing someone out of revenge and retribution by the state was something our ancestors did and shouldn't have a place in modern society.
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
Well in case you hadn't noticed some states in the USA are polishing up their electric chairs with a view to ramping up the number of execution.
There seems to have been enough cases of wrongful conviction found even for them.
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Originally Posted by TrickyTree
SHOCK HORROR
Arkon agrees with Luke.....I cannot believe it.
In fact anyone agreeing with Luke I cannot believe.
This bloke could have an arguement in a cupboard with himself.

Arkon agrees with Luke.....I cannot believe it.
In fact anyone agreeing with Luke I cannot believe.
This bloke could have an arguement in a cupboard with himself.

#150
Originally Posted by diddy
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...1/s1516178.htm
I was reading the link and it appears that Singapore is keen to kill Van Nguyen. Having watched Ray Martin last night (which I know is seriously economic with the truth) I was amazed at the number of Australians that didn't care about this poor man's life.
I accept he's an idiot for doing what he did and his mitigating circumstances are pretty poor. And I accept drug running is bad and he should go to jail for a long time. However I do not accept the argument that he knew the law and took the risk. When a country has antiquated laws that bear no proportionality to the crime, then we should stand against it. Execution for this crime is ridiculous and obviously serves no purpose in terms of deterrence. It is purely vengence perpetrated by an inhumane Government that has no value for human life and maintains antiquated values long disposed of by humanitariam nations.
What are your thoughts on this?
Paul.
I was reading the link and it appears that Singapore is keen to kill Van Nguyen. Having watched Ray Martin last night (which I know is seriously economic with the truth) I was amazed at the number of Australians that didn't care about this poor man's life.
I accept he's an idiot for doing what he did and his mitigating circumstances are pretty poor. And I accept drug running is bad and he should go to jail for a long time. However I do not accept the argument that he knew the law and took the risk. When a country has antiquated laws that bear no proportionality to the crime, then we should stand against it. Execution for this crime is ridiculous and obviously serves no purpose in terms of deterrence. It is purely vengence perpetrated by an inhumane Government that has no value for human life and maintains antiquated values long disposed of by humanitariam nations.
What are your thoughts on this?
Paul.
how about going for a walk in the park, play soccer , go for a pint instead of smuggling drugs. unfortunately the death penalty has has not really helped reducing crime in most countries with capital punishment. despite that longlive the death penalty and i will vote for it anytime anyday.
may the mans soul rest in peace



