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i do not agree with council house sales. if the houses are so bad then knock them down and build new.. i know its down to cost but the land they are built on is worth more than the structures.

i dont agree that the idea was for poor people to have a chance to buy their own house, i think that it was to increase the vote for thatcher in labour controlled areas..

i do understand about the costs and how some areas have become so bad.

i would be happy to talk about all this but i dont want to take the thread off course.. i have been through it loads of times but i still feel as i do.
i dont blame any person for taking advantage of the rules but i have to like them..

ps
i wonder if you worked in housing benefit (fraud) with my mrs... thats how i know that some will see it..
when you know of the abuses (as you obviously do) this guy is small beer..

i wish him luck turning things around.

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I have lived in the house for 21 years so why should i have to move out?And as i already said i was earning £120 a week so therefor couldn't afford to pay the rent.I could have quit my trade and worked in a factory all my life earning £200 or got my rent paid for 8months till i finished my 2nd year aprrenticeship and my wages increased so i could then afford to pay the rent.Working another job wasn't possible because i quit at different times everyday.You have all had a go at me for doing it but i haven't heard one of you suggest 1 thing that i could have done.So any suggestions then?

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[QUOTE=knifey_spoony;4450571]I have lived in the house for 21 years so why should i have to move out?And as i already said i was earning £120 a week so therefor couldn't afford to pay the rent.I could have quit my trade and worked in a factory all my life earning £200 or got my rent paid for 8months till i finished my 2nd year aprrenticeship and my wages increased so i could then afford to pay the rent.Working another job wasn't possible because i quit at different times everyday.You have all had a go at me for doing it but i haven't heard one of you suggest 1 thing that i could have done.So any suggestions then?[/QUOTE]


i don't think its up to anyone to comment and tell you what you have/should have done - thats in the past and done with and cannot be changed.
However a lot of people on here have given you good advice about entering Oz in a legal way - its now up to you to decide what to do and not down to anyone else to stand over you and make sure you do the right thing. The choice is yours.

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There have been lots of suggestions!
Marry an australian, get a working holiday visa and find a sponsor while you're there, do some training and get some skills or go for the remaining relative visa. Your so young that you have many more options than the rest of us...make the most of it.
If you went illegally do you really want to spend the rest of your life looking over your shoulder and if you got deported it would make it difficult for you trying to visit other countries in the future.

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[QUOTE=thewoodz;4450613]yes, ignore the negative comments, you've been far from angelic but now it's time to get on the straight and narrow cos if you don't you'll soon get caught making a fraudulant visa application. as you've been told , there are ways of doing it legally and fortunately if you're honest there are plenty of people about to help you.

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I meant with regards to paying the rent aussienurse.Anyway i thought that it wasn't possible for me to get in legally as my skills aren't recognised officially but thanks to some people on this thread i now realise that i can and will therefore pursue that route.Thanks alot to those who helped.:thumbup:

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I didn't work in fraud but there is a lot of pretty intense training before you start to actually work on assessing claims, so we did meet a few of those folks who told us various things to look out for. To be honest though nobody really cared that much. Filling in those forms is such a minefield that you would have to be a genious not to trip yourself up at some point if your intention were to commit fraud. It was a very inneficient dept due to mis-management leaving us with a backlog of applications that was unbelievable. Hence my thoughts that nobody from housing benefits would want to spend their time working fro free at the weekends scouring these forums.

Regarding this kid - I dunno whether he is a wind up merchant or not, though he probably is. Non the less, if he can make a decent life for himself then I say good luck. Everyone deserves a second chance and he hasn't killed anybody (though he might have for all we know ha ha).

If it all goes tits up for him then at least he'll have a tale to tell to his grandkids (or probation officer) :)

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This is the response and thinking of a child. You might be 21 but you're a long way behind in mature thinking. I lived in a house with my parents for 18 years. Did that make it mine? Did I contribute towards the cost? Did I put in any work to actually physically make it mine?
You've got to be kidding!

How much is the cost of education where you live? You can get pretty much what you want and have it paid for if you're unemployed in the UK. Choose something that's going to pay well, go back to school, mature up a little and put some hard work in. Earn some money and then be in a position to buy a house.
It seems like you just think the world's been put here for your convenience and actually, that's not true.
If you're going to sit on your arse every day, expecting the world to pay you a living, you're going to have a very unhappy, miserable life. If you want it, you have to put the hard work in and get it. That's how it works.

Any other way and it WILL catch up with you and bite you on the arse. You have a decision to make and only you can make it. No-one's going to sit there holding your hand.... you're an adult. So act like one and change your life for the better whilst you still can, cos trust me, if you don't, all you'll be able to think about when you're 40 odd is all the time you wasted as a youngster.

Kick some ass, KS. You know you can do it.


Good luck with your life.

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i know the benefit people are snowed under, i live in a rich town so its not quite so bad for my mrs...

i do think that people should realise that a lot of the shops/outlets of global corporations pay so badly that a lot of their staff have to claim benefits..
the tax payer pays to keep your burgers cheap..
although this is legal i would doubt that this boy (ks)actually costs any more money than one shop that i can think of..
they not only make your children fat, you subsidise their staff while their bosses earn a fortune..

i dont condone benefit cheating. i hate it, i hate it because i am a leftie who thinks that we should have fall back benefits for when you need it..need,not want!

ks

a 21 yr old single man who is working should not be able to take over and buy a house that could house another needy family..i understand you didnt make the rules, you just exploit them
i understand your situation as you've explained it but your attitude towards what is actually fraud/stealing, is really poor.

i hope you get to Oz and hope that one day you realise why the posters are angry about you, and how nice and decent some of them are, to help you..

........................
my mrs does not tell me details and i dont ask. i would be bald if she did..

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Tell you what mate, never heard of having a second job?
Think you've got off on the wrong foot on here, should never have mentioned your illegal claims and finances etc.
A few have offered some very good advice, others have judged you! Take what you can from this thread and see where it takes you. You have plenty of time to set yourself up to move and go seek the opportunities that are on offer to get you trained up. Might be hard work and you may need to work 7 days a week and could all be worth it in the long run! :blink:

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Ah, another leftie eh? Not many of us left (no pun intended) these days - certainly not at Downing Street anyway!!!

My feelings are alike I guess. I think our benefits system is great and something we as british people can be proud of. It is open to abuse of course and I am no fan of benefits cheats myself. On the other hand though, you have to realise (and I am sure you do) that for a great many people in the UK it is not so much a choice anymore, not a quick way to easy money, but rather a trap that is difficult to get out of.

For e.g. if you have no skills and no education, not even the education to see that you need the further education that is open to you, quite freely in a lot of cases, then you are in a trap. If there is no way that you could afford to pay your rent and bills and eat and clothe yourself through working then you are stuck in the benefits trap. In most cases a single man with little or no valuable skills is worse off working, financially I mean, than he would be on benefits. In this case it seems like we are talking about a single man. It is different for single mothers and low paid families who can claim working families tax credits etc. Single men are in the worst position when it comes to getting out of the benefits system. Where is the incentive to work forty hours a week at maccy D's for less than you can expect on benefits?

There have been some good posts on here, some really useful, helpful and sympathetic advice. There has also been a lot of reactionary right wing crap. I do not suggest this is from you by the way. Your posts have given an opinion fairly and constructively and have also shown a sympathetic approach.

Some of the posters here have suggested that the OP is a lazy sponging dole-te sitting on his arse all day expecting the world on a plate. How this inferrance has been reached I am not sure. He tells us he is working toward becoming a tiler; a good trade and, eventually, a lucrative one. He has also told us he only earns 120 pound a week while an apprentice. As you know - most council properties cost around 55 to 65 pound a week in rent. His council tax is likely to be around 65 a month (mine was when I was living in a council ghetto some years ago). Gas and electric usually come to around 30 to 40 quid a month, add to that the cost of food and clothes that doesn't leave much to play with. Probably not even bus fare to get to where you need to be each day. If this poor pathetic prole should dare to indulge in such vices as smoking cigarettes or having a drink now and again he is pretty much buggered (pardon my french).

As I have said, there are, to my knowledge, no supplementary benefits available to a single 21 year old man, with no children to support. Hence, the benefits trap. In this case he seems to be trying to get out of it by learning a trade. There will of course be those who say - well that is no excuse. To that I say.....erm.....yes it is mate!!! The old saying - you should walk a mile in another mans shoes - springs to mind. i say, as many here have - good luck kiddo. And yes, Kick ass.

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WHAT?! He had absolutely no right at all to buy a council house.
I lived in my parents house until I was 18 - that gives me no right whatsoever to own it. Being brought up in a house does not give you the right to continue living in it indefinitely.

Earning £120 a week - you can rent a room in a shared house for under half that. And pay bills, and survive until your wages increase and you can afford the luxuries that you want. And if the day job doesn't pay enough, get a night job too. Work weekends in a supermarket, or evenings in a bar.

What in the world makes some people think that it is ok for them to just choose not to work and be supported by other people's taxes?

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A benefits system that lets them...

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you are mow an Adult mate, that comes with responsibilities meaning you have to think like an adult. Someone else said it will be hard work for you believe me its a Non starter doing what your thinking. If you have skills do what wendy is suggesting once your here for the 12 months you can apply for an extended visa ONLY if you enrol at the Tafe (college) to do education training thats recognized in Australia, once your on a course it may be 2 to 3 years BUT you are still here then you can apply for permanent residence LEGALY, it can be done i work for the dept of education, ive seen it done by other who have come from the UK with little or no qualifications they then did a 3 year course of course there parents paid, but the outcome is that person had skills required in Australia, & have never looked back since so get the idea of of your hard about doing the wrong thing they will get you & then thats your lot you will be on the 1st place back home.

Think of the future.

arthur

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despite the verbal beating this lad has had, he hasnt lost his rag and f8888d us off..

he would probably make someone a good apprentice..

how many 21 yr olds go to uni to avoid work' rather than to invest in their futures?
how many young'uns' know what they want to do, not many!
my own are 17 and 14, my favorite nephew 23 has stumbled into something good after drifting for a long time. he is 5 years behind other people in his job now and its something he would not have considered when he left school (accountant)

there is a benefit trap for certain. none of us would willingly hurt ourselves in the short term if we could see a way out in the not to distant future.(his house)
i think the boy needs a break, if he gets one he becomes another one of us.(tax payer) if not he turns into a wrong'un and we pay'''' forever..