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Vash the Stampede Feb 24th 2007 8:52 pm

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 

Originally Posted by chilli (Post 4452450)
how many 21 yr olds go to uni to avoid work' rather than to invest in their futures?

Nobody that I've ever known. :confused:

Going to uni is an investment in your future - and a big one, at that! If I had a £ for every day that I envied my mates with apprenticeships (who were already earning money in their first year, while I was struggling to keep my head above water on a pathetic student allowance) I'd be a rich man indeed.

Uni is expensive, it takes a huge chunk out of your life (3 years minimum) and it delays your entry into the professional workforce. Meanwhile, your peers are earning money, gaining work experience and perhaps even putting down a deposit on a house. By the time you're properly employed, they are streets ahead of you.

Uni is a huge sacrifice. It's not a way to "avoid work"; it's a path towards the sort of work you really want to do. You just have to stick at it and hope that you reap the rewards when you finally graduate.

Please don't assume that university is an easy option, because that's just not true. It's bloody hard slog, on a microscopic income, for 3-4 years.

Most of the time, it pays off. Sometimes it doesn't.

Either way, it's certainly not "a way of avoiding work".

Wendy Feb 24th 2007 8:53 pm

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 
From reading the thread it seems that you will be entitled to apply for a remaining relative visa. Here's the link so you can see what you need to do.

http://www.immi.gov.au/migrants/family/115/index.htm

:)

esperanza Feb 24th 2007 10:08 pm

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 

Originally Posted by rodders39 (Post 4451892)
A benefits system that lets them...

You're so right there. Saw a story the other day with an unemployed couple who had five kids (4 of them whilst on benefits) and were deliberately staying on benefits which gave them income equivalent to a pre-tax salary of £33,000.
Bloody nice! No wonder they do it. Whilst I think they are lazy scroungers, they are doing what makes economic sense - what I can't understand is why the system allows people to do this for years on end. Rant over! :D

framac Feb 24th 2007 10:49 pm

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 

Originally Posted by knifey_spoony (Post 4450634)
I meant with regards to paying the rent aussienurse.Anyway i thought that it wasn't possible for me to get in legally as my skills aren't recognised officially but thanks to some people on this thread i now realise that i can and will therefore pursue that route.Thanks alot to those who helped.:thumbup:

God luck to you KS. I hope it all works. :thumbup:

chilli Feb 25th 2007 2:44 am

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede (Post 4452506)
Nobody that I've ever known. :confused:

Going to uni is an investment in your future - and a big one, at that! If I had a £ for every day that I envied my mates with apprenticeships (who were already earning money in their first year, while I was struggling to keep my head above water on a pathetic student allowance) I'd be a rich man indeed.

Uni is expensive, it takes a huge chunk out of your life (3 years minimum) and it delays your entry into the professional workforce. Meanwhile, your peers are earning money, gaining work experience and perhaps even putting down a deposit on a house. By the time you're properly employed, they are streets ahead of you.

Uni is a huge sacrifice. It's not a way to "avoid work"; it's a path towards the sort of work you really want to do. You just have to stick at it and hope that you reap the rewards when you finally graduate.

Please don't assume that university is an easy option, because that's just not true. It's bloody hard slog, on a microscopic income, for 3-4 years.

Most of the time, it pays off. Sometimes it doesn't.

Either way, it's certainly not "a way of avoiding work".


ok m8
you think that.
i think that is the sensible lads view, not the average young'uns view.
by avoiding, i mean putting off the inevtable.
i have a daughter who thinks like you and a son who i think has the average young persons mentality. she will do well,try hard and get results. he will be a bloody nitemare, get pissed a lot but still pass..

i didnt mean to knock uni at all. the price of two lots of uni will decide if i can go to Oz.
i understand the need for it..

ps
i dont think is that hard, bending over digging a road is hard. nurses wiping someones bum, is hard.

incoming;)

Vash the Stampede Feb 25th 2007 3:33 am

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 

Originally Posted by chilli (Post 4453148)
ok m8
you think that.
i think that is the sensible lads view, not the average young'uns view.
by avoiding, i mean putting off the inevtable.
i have a daughter who thinks like you and a son who i think has the average young persons mentality. she will do well,try hard and get results. he will be a bloody nitemare, get pissed a lot but still pass..

i didnt mean to knock uni at all. the price of two lots of uni will decide if i can go to Oz.
i understand the need for it..

Fair play. I see where you're coming from now. :)


ps
i dont think is that hard, bending over digging a road is hard. nurses wiping someones bum, is hard.

incoming;)
Mate, if you think I'm falling for that one, you've got a lot to learn. :lol: ;)

Silly Sod Feb 25th 2007 3:51 am

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 

Originally Posted by chilli (Post 4453148)
ok m8

ps
i dont think is that hard, bending over digging a road is hard. nurses wiping someones bum, is hard.

incoming;)

A man after me own heart!!! My dad drove busses around inner city manchester for 35 years (before being made redundant and getting screwed on is redundancy pay), while my mother developed a form of in-operable spinal arthritis from buffing floors at (by co-incidence) the local university. So, I have to partly agree with chilli on this one.

However, my own son is currently at university - the first in our family in living memory to go - and it is definitely hard. It is a struggle financially and the peer pressure is enormous. The poor kid has to find enough money to get bladdered most nights, buy pot, go to clubs, take out girls and purchase the ingredients for spag bol; while somehow managing to fit in a few hours of study a week. And good luck to him I say. Because as most people will tell you , they look back on their university days with happy misty eyes, they say what a great time they had - the time of their lives even. I don't ever remember my dad saying how much he loved his time working on the docks for 12 hours a day at age 17, or my mum recalling how much she loved spending all of her time with a bunch of hungry screaming, shiddy arsed little brats like us and then cleaning floors all day when we were at school.

But you try telling that to the kids of today.......and they won't believe you!!!

Kapri Feb 25th 2007 4:09 am

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To The O.P.
As a student nurse I had £100 per week to live on.
I rented a room in a shared house which took over half of it.
At weekends I did extra shifts to earn a bit more. A lot of weeks I worked at least 6 days ,usually 7. When I was at Uni and not on placement I'd work a night shift for the money then go to lectures. I'm not asking for a round of applause I just wanted to show that things can be achieved if you put your mind to it.
Forget about your council house - let it go to a family that needs it. Rent a room, get your qualifications and work experience then get a visa for Australia legitimately. You will feel better about yourself for doing things the right way.
You're only 21. By the time you're 25 you could be having a good life as a qualifed person in Australia. :thumbup:

emmyjc1 Feb 25th 2007 5:08 am

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 

Originally Posted by Kapri (Post 4453339)
To The O.P.
As a student nurse I had £100 per week to live on.
I rented a room in a shared house which took over half of it.
At weekends I did extra shifts to earn a bit more. A lot of weeks I worked at least 6 days ,usually 7. When I was at Uni and not on placement I'd work a night shift for the money then go to lectures. I'm not asking for a round of applause I just wanted to show that things can be achieved if you put your mind to it.
Forget about your council house - let it go to a family that needs it. Rent a room, get your qualifications and work experience then get a visa for Australia legitimately. You will feel better about yourself for doing things the right way.
You're only 21. By the time you're 25 you could be having a good life as a qualifed person in Australia. :thumbup:

To the OP
I think you should contact a Agent re the Remaining Relative Visa
All the best

Shaun&Dee Feb 25th 2007 7:04 am

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If you want to go to Oz for legitimate reasons to be with your family, and you go illegally and get caught then you will be deported and restrictions imposed on you. Then what will you do and how will you see your family? Why not just do it the proper way, get the work experience, apply legally and then you will not have to look over your shoulder all the time. You may get away with it for a few years but you will get caught, and then sent back to NI. Then what... as you won't get back into Oz...

knifey_spoony Feb 25th 2007 7:20 am

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 
If i want to apply for the remaining relative visa how long do i have to wait once my mums visa has been approved?I think i will just stay here for another year and finish my apprenticeship so i have finished my trade when i immigrate.To those who said i should move out of my house i quarantee you wouldn't do it if you were in my situation.You would be an absolute fool if you did.People are talking as if im a complete scumbag.If this is the worst sin i commit in my life then ill be happy.

What does OP stand for btw ?

Pollyana Feb 25th 2007 7:24 am

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 

Originally Posted by knifey_spoony (Post 4453833)
If i want to apply for the remaining relative visa how long do i have to wait once my mums visa has been approved?I think i will just stay here for another year and finish my apprenticeship so i have finished my trade when i immigrate.To those who said i should move out of my house i quarantee you wouldn't do it if you were in my situation.You would be an absolute fool if you did.People are talking as if im a complete scumbag.If this is the worst sin i commit in my life then ill be happy.

What does OP stand for btw ?

Original Poster, so the person that started the thread (in this case - you)

Racht70 Feb 25th 2007 7:25 am

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 

Originally Posted by knifey_spoony (Post 4453833)
If i want to apply for the remaining relative visa how long do i have to wait once my mums visa has been approved?I think i will just stay here for another year and finish my apprenticeship so i have finished my trade when i immigrate.To those who said i should move out of my house i quarantee you wouldn't do it if you were in my situation.You would be an absolute fool if you did.People are talking as if im a complete scumbag.If this is the worst sin i commit in my life then ill be happy.

What does OP stand for btw ?


OP= Original poster or post

knifey_spoony Feb 25th 2007 7:26 am

Re: Moving To Oz Illegally
 
Ah right thanks.

Dorothy Feb 25th 2007 8:23 am

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Originally Posted by knifey_spoony (Post 4453833)
To those who said i should move out of my house i quarantee you wouldn't do it if you were in my situation.You would be an absolute fool if you did.

So far I've just read this thread and shaken my head. This comment however has made me decide to reply. My family (hub 4 month old baby and I) found ourselves homeless through no fault of our own 12 years ago. We were supposed to move into a rental house, had paid a deposit, had our stuff on a truck waiting to go to the house when a judge ordered that the former tenants were still legally entitled to stay in the house. That means they got to stay after not paying rent for 6 months while we were literally out on the street. Lucky for us I managed to get a spot in a government subsidised co-op housing unit. (Council house in UK). It was the place we lived for over 5 years while we got a start. My daughter lived the first 5 years of her life there and my son was born in that house. BUT as time wore on and we bettered our situation we knew there were other people who needed the place far more than we did. We ended up moving to a different rental house which was not nearly as nice as the co-op, but we knew we were doing the right thing by someone else who needed it more than us. Guess that makes me a fool, eh?


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