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Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by comet555
(Post 7223777)
That's not entirely true. If you qualify then there's no reason you can't apply. I think you're the one who needs to get the facts straight on this. If you qualify for PR you can go out first on a 457 and then apply for PR once you arrive in Australia. The only reason you would have to actually wait the year or two is if you didn't qualify in the first place. So your statements are pretty misleading in that regard. Quite a few people on this site have gone over on a 457 and applied right away for a permanent visa. Or, applied for PR and then got a 457 granted and went to Australia while waiting for the PR to be granted.
You have actually never stated whether you qualify for PR right now or not. If you qualified before you came here then there is no reason why you could not have applied before you left. However... if you do not qualify then you pretty much have to come out on a 457 and work for a couple years to get extra points for Australian experience. Furthermore, there are benefits to applying for PR right away while on a 457. If you are in Australia on a 457 temp visa and have an application in for PR you are immediately eligible for full Medicare. You don't have to wait until it's granted to get the benefits of it. If you don't believe me do a bit of research. Here is the savings on PR. -save about $125 a month on private health due ot the cheaper rates (125x12 = a savings of $1500 a year). Over 2 years you would save $3000 which is the cost of the visa itself. So you're better off just getting PR from the get go if you're eligible rather than waiting for your employer to pay for it. -you would also not had to have paid lots of other medical expenses that you'd have to pay for -having PR would mean you are eligible for family benefits (including daycare costs, etc) So in my mind it's pretty costly to come out on a 457 if you are eligible for PR. It makes far more sense just to pay the fees and come over properly. |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by peterh
(Post 7223747)
There are some people on here posting things which are misleading - see LAFHA. You don't 'need' to have a home only 'need an address' in the UK - do you think the ATO are that stupid? You fail to say exactly what your do 'need, what the circumstances are, or how you got LAFHA, but I would suggest you are talking about completely different circumstances altogether to mine, so butt out!
all you NEED is a good accountant and an employer who can be bothered to fill in the forms. Worked for me for the 5 years i DIDN'T have a home in the UK, only an address and managed to not pay tax on about half my income... Pleased to read you have finally understood that everyones circumstances are different. |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by peterh
(Post 7223604)
To suggest people on ordinary incomes with children dont really need financial assistance or help shows complete ignorance and misunderstanding of what is involved in child raising and the expense of having a family.
While I know that there is assistance and benefits available I do everything I can not to have to rely on them. As I said I personally feel there are others far more deserving of this resource than us. If it means we do without something then that's just life we make up for it in other ways. I'm on a PR so, no, I'm not the same Visa type as you. Not that I see that has any bearing on claiming benefits or not. As Hevs said you surely did some research and due diligence before coming and had a rough idea of the income you could expect from your profession, so you should have known if you would be needing benefits before you came or at least had a rough idea. I guess what I am asking is, did you move knowing that you would need to claim benefits when you got here and if you did I assume that you researched your entitlement before you got on the plane. Were you reliant on benefits in the UK ? |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by peterh
(Post 7223731)
You cannot just pitch-up on the shores of Oz with a TR 457 visa in Oz and immediately apply for PR. What would be the point in having 457's if this was the case?!
We've been here on 457 for a year now, with kids. I can't agree with all your statements but I think your intention of warning people about the pitfalls of 457s is valid. 1.you will have to pay for ANY hospital bills in the first year, even accidents Not true - we've had several routine appointments at GP, blood tests, a couple of A&E visits invovling tests and x rays etc and not paid for any of it. 2. you will need private health cover (family of 4 about $250/month), even then it doesnt cover all the costs. Not true. Employer make make it a condition of contract but not DIAC. Our cover has no gap fees payable! 4. healthcare is expensive and not free for uk citizens see above 6. rental housing is in short supply and expensive in most states around here its about half the uk rent for bigger house and half what a mortage would cost here. 7. you will not be eligible for permanent status before at least 1-2yrs, and there are big fees for you to pay! See my initial comment. For employer sponsored it depends on their own internal policy. 2. books are very expensive! not noticed this so I doubt its across the board 3. car fuel is cheap, but energy prices high my electric is cheaper and gas is bottled 11. The Ozzies can seem rude and aggressive at times. as opposed to the english being rude and aggressive sometimes It will not seem like 'home' for a long time - 12-48 months some people say. Very different for different people, somewhere between a few weeks to a lifetime would be my answer |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by Safin
(Post 7223918)
Actually you can - if you meet the requirements of your chosen visa. The reason people chose 457 when they have PR as an option is to get here quickly or for the tax break of lafha mostly. Or they qualify soon after getting here or get extra points for Oz work experience(1yr)
For the record he still hasn't mentioned if he qualified for PR in the first place or if he had to come on the 457 as a route to PR. |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by comet555
(Post 7223941)
I have repeatedly told him this from the start of the thread. He is still arguing with me so he probably still won't get it. Although hopefully enough people have mentioned it now maybe he will.
the only people on 457 visas who will get free healthcare are those from countries which have a reciprocal agreement with Australia ie. UK. There are many people on these visas who will not get it because they are from countries without such an agreement....some post on this board. The distinction needs to be made clear. G |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Whichever it is, it sounds like he's had it hard/been given poor advice/not known what to expect or a combinations of them.
He didn't mention what I think is the worst aspect of being on a 457 - the 28 days you have to lodge a new sponsorship if the original employer bins you. So 28 days to job hunt, agree terms, lodge an application all whilst arranging for a return to the uk if it doesn't work out!!!!!!! Just when are you expected to book (non refundable) flights /removals etc arrange somewhere to live back in UK if req etc. Really hopr they increase it to the 90 days they have talked about in latest review. |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by Safin
(Post 7223957)
Whichever it is, it sounds like he's had it hard/been given poor advice/not known what to expect or a combinations of them.
the reciprocal agreement should only cover emergency treatment....not routine stuff. G |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 7223951)
Be careful with this one.
the only people on 457 visas who will get free healthcare are those from countries which have a reciprocal agreement with Australia ie. UK. There are many people on these visas who will not get it because they are from countries without such an agreement....some post on this board. The distinction needs to be made clear. G I included that part about the health care since I've been arguing with him since the start about that. I did make reference to the whole reciprocal health care back on page 1 post #2. But you're right it should be a bit clearer so I'll tidy it up a bit. |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by comet555
(Post 7223972)
I'm well aware of that. I'm Canadian so I'm well aware there is no reciprocal agreement in place with Canada. I was mostly referring to the part about not being able to apply for PR.
I included that part about the health care since I've been arguing with him since the start about that. I did make reference to the whole reciprocal health care back a page or two. But you're right it should be a bit clearer so I'll tidy it up a bit. G |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 7223977)
Ultimarely the employer is responsible for any medical expenses for a person on a 457 visa
G http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...51&postcount=6 |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by comet555
(Post 7223980)
Yes I know! I told him that back in post #6. He argued with me about that too.
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showp...51&postcount=6 Not much more you can do then. The more I read about this the more I think the 457 should be avoided at all costs. G |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 7223987)
I hadn't read all that:o
Not much more you can do then. The more I read about this the more I think the 457 should be avoided at all costs. G As I've said before I view the 457 as a last resort pathway in the hopes of getting PR. I can't think of any circumstances why I would have gone that route myself. We weighed the costs and the risks and came out on PR with two little kids and without a job. We viewed that as far less risky than coming out with a job on the 457. |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
If you have a choice thats very good advice - not everyone has that luxury. For some its 457 or nowt - til they can get extra points for oz wk exp or an employer willing to sponsor.
Still you should be very aware of the pitfalls and go in with your eyes wide open!:eek::whatchutalkingabout: |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by Safin
(Post 7224045)
If you have a choice thats very good advice - not everyone has that luxury. For some its 457 or nowt - til they can get extra points for oz wk exp or an employer willing to sponsor.
Still you should be very aware of the pitfalls and go in with your eyes wide open!:eek::whatchutalkingabout: Many are simply too impulsive and impatient to wait the extra few weeks it might take. G |
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