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Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Yes, I meant temporary residents. Thanks for that, I fixed my typo! :D
I do agree about temporary visas though. I always trying to discourage people from going that route if they qualify for PR before hand. If it's you're only route to Oz and you really want to go then you just have to deal with it. I always find it astounding when people come out on temp visas and wait the year or two to be sponsored when they were eligible to apply for PR on their own at any time. It just doesn't make sense. I do think thought that perhaps you should have titled your orginal post better. Most everything you've written about has been a downside of the temporary visa. A title stating "Migration to Oz - hard facts" should probably have made mention of the temporary visa. And also "hard facts" is more your experience on what could happen rather than hard facts. The message is still clear though, it is a difficult route to take and people should put a lot of thought and research into it before making the leap. We considered it ourselves but we opted to wait for a permanent visa instead. There was not a chance we were going over on a temporary visa, but that's just me. |
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If you need any evidence of how difficult, frustrating and stressful the whole process can often be (for most) then just read the pages of this forum. See 'immigration delays' 44,000 views on that topic alone!
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Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by peterh
(Post 7223604)
Benefits - family assistance and support for children, tax benefits for families, help with school and nursery fees (I'd guess with that kind of sweeping comment you don't have children, and have a completely different circumstance and visa to me). In the uk this can be a significant amount of money, so make allowance if you have a family and planning on a 457 visa. To suggest people on ordinary incomes with children dont really need financial assistance or help shows complete ignorance and misunderstanding of what is involved in child raising and the expense of having a family.
Correction to previous mail - parochial, not colloqueal But must earn over the threashold. However I can understand if you wern't earning over the threshold and you got no family assist it would be hard. However you knew that before you came right? |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by markallwood
(Post 7223471)
hmm. I believe you have misinterpreted Pommy Dan's post.
There are two separate points, on separate lines. One is about the benefit of LAFHA. The other is about the benefit of having a good accountant. Completely separate. Nothing to do with each other. On a 457 you can claim LAFHA. THat is a good thing that (IMO) offests some of the not so good things about being on a 457. In addition, with a good accountant you are able to make a substatial claim a tax time. |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by peterh
(Post 7223258)
The LAFHA I do not qualify for, we have an accountant and employer who has told us we do not. You need to have a property in the UK, or elsewhere, where you normally live and you have been posted by a company to be away from your normal place of work. The rules are extremely complicated so to say 'oh yes you'll get this and that' is very misleading. If you sellup and move to Oz you will NOT get LAFHA. BTW our accountant did not know that NSW charge for pupils and was quite shocked - you'd think he would know!
Dont NEED to have a property in the UK, just an address and you dont NEED to have been 'posted' by a company... |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
i must say tho, cars are cheaper here, and to run aswell. no way could i have been insured on a 2.2litre car back in england.
and who isnt much happier here, people are soo interactive :D and myself have improved from being the shy little guy i was back in blighty! in australia you are expected to work pretty hard, and they do, most of the time, hence why stuff gets down and done pretty quickly. never have i seen a building in brizzy go up so quickly :thumbup: |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by peterh
(Post 7223676)
You mean temporary residents 555?
No, if you came to work in the uk from Oz you would probably not be entitled to state benefits. You would probably get NHS treatment for free though, currently. The point I am trying to make is that if you come over to Oz from the UK you will not usually get any benefits or help on a 457. Take this into account. So, if you can, get Oz PR from the UK first & you will be better off and things will probably be easier if you have a family,average-to-lower income and average employer. You might get lucky, or have generous support from your employer or Oz relative, but this is not always the case, so you should be aware of that. I wouldnt say that 457 TR visas suck, they are good for young healthy single people who want to get into Oz quickly, but with a family I would recommend PR (depending on your circumstances and that of the new employment/employer). Despite what some (lucky and probably also single or couples) people are saying here, if you are planning on coming over with a family circumstances dont assume it is easy to do (as some are suggesting it is here) it is not always the case. Also, everthing is easier in hindsight, so to say 'oh why didnt you do this or that' is just flippant, ill-informed and unhelpful to those people with families and property who have to deal with what can be an extememly difficult confusing costly and stressful process. Thats why I also suggest using an agent and dont leave anything to chance-if you can afford it. I would only suggest an agent, for those occasions where the migration is complex and not straightforward. The vast majority of people can simply read through the requirements on the immi website, ask a few questions on BE website, and then they're ready to go.... No need to spend several thousand on an agent, in my opinion. :thumbup: |
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Lets just be careful how you word our statements here on getting PR. You cannot just pitch-up on the shores of Oz with a TR 457 visa in Oz and immediately apply for PR. What would be the point in having 457's if this was the case?! 457's can be up issued for up to 4 years. But yes, some people transfer to PR, eventually.
Gaining PR depends on many things! ...which Oz state you are in, current immigration quotas, the type of work you do (is it under the skilled migration scheme for example?), who your employer is, what is your income, what your age and health is, whether you have relatives in Oz to sponsor you, your english is good enough, do you qualify on their points scale?, do you have a crafty immigration agent working for you? how much are you willing to pay to get a PR? which country are you from and what is your current marital status, residency and citizenship status? ......... Also applying for PR is not the same thing as actually getting the PR visa stamp in your passport. You may be entitled, you may qualify, but that doesnt necessarily mean you will receive PR. It also costs money, quite a lot of money. |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by Pommy Dan
(Post 7223723)
Hmmm, i think you need a new accountant!
Dont NEED to have a property in the UK, just an address and you dont NEED to have been 'posted' by a company... |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by ChrisJM
(Post 7223727)
and who isnt much happier here |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by peterh
(Post 7223731)
do you have a crafty immigration agent working for you?
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There are some people on here posting things which are misleading - see LAFHA. You don't 'need' to have a home only 'need an address' in the UK - do you think the ATO are that stupid? You fail to say exactly what your do 'need, what the circumstances are, or how you got LAFHA, but I would suggest you are talking about completely different circumstances altogether to mine, so butt out!
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Kangaroos DO bounce down my street everynight :thumbsup:
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Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by peterh
(Post 7223731)
Lets just be careful how you word our statements here on getting PR. You cannot just pitch-up on the shores of Oz with a TR 457 visa in Oz and immediately apply for PR. What would be the point in having 457's if this was the case?! 457's can be up issued for up to 4 years. But yes, some people transfer to PR, eventually.
You have actually never stated whether you qualify for PR right now or not. If you qualified before you came here then there is no reason why you could not have applied before you left. However... if you do not qualify then you pretty much have to come out on a 457 and work for a couple years to get extra points for Australian experience. Furthermore, there are benefits to applying for PR right away while on a 457. If you are in Australia on a 457 temp visa and have an application in for PR you are immediately eligible for full Medicare. You don't have to wait until it's granted to get the benefits of it. If you don't believe me do a bit of research. |
Re: Migration to Oz - Hard Facts
Originally Posted by peterh
(Post 7223747)
There are some people on here posting things which are misleading - see LAFHA. You don't 'need' to have a home only 'need an address' in the UK - do you think the ATO are that stupid? You fail to say exactly what your do 'need, what the circumstances are, or how you got LAFHA, but I would suggest you are talking about completely different circumstances altogether to mine, so butt out!
You can apply for a skilled visa as soon as you arrive in Australia on a 457 as far as I am aware. A few people I know have done this, nurses got in quick with a temp visa, had their removals paid for etc and then once they got here applied for PR. You have clearly had a bad experience and are extremely bitter and unhappy, doesn't mean that is going to be the case for everyone. |
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