Re: living in perth
 

HI, thanks for the interesting reading. I wont comment on the racist thing, i think a couple went off the track a little there, Maybe they could start a new thread, then id be happy to put my two pence worth in (or cents should i say :p )

Anyway, ive been reading all the posts on crime, and yes although i do live in a crime free area, there are lots of crime around the town here, but i just dont get to see it, i think its because we live on a hill, and the criminals cant be bothered to walk up (now theres a thought, any hills in Perth?).

I guess all i want is to find my little crime free patch within the Perth area, but im so comfused by it all, ive decided to putback moving to Perth/Auz until next yr, and im now planning to take a little holiday/expedition to Perth later this yr to find out for myself. If you hear any reports of a couple sitting in their Rental Car staking out Suburbs in the middle of the night, dont panic, its only little old me :p il even stick an Expats Logo on the Ariel. Anyway, il keep on monitoring this site. Ive printed out so many pages on areas to live in or avoid in Perth, i can now live and avoid all at the same time, so i guess im gonna have to see for myself.

Re: living in perth
 

:) Actually Perth is pretty flat, so maybe you have a very good point there :)

Good luck for when you come over. I think you`ll find that all area`s have good and bad points (as Renth knows). Maybe we should try and do some research on the Perth suburbs and see which area`s have what crime/facilities/reputation/school etc. Do a poll or something. I don`t think I can comment as much though as I haven`t lived there for 10 years. I always liked Nedlands and Applecross though.

Re: where in perth??
 

Simone I agree that there is no point always mentioning the origin of those who commit crimes but there is clearly a very serious problem with Aboriginal crime throughout Australia. The Australian Government publishes reports illustrating those who are more likely to be criminals. Indigenous juveniles were approximately 19 times more likely to be detained in Australian detention facilities than non-Indigenous juveniles in June 2002.
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/cfi/cfi060.html

The University of Western Australia research shows more than 28 out of every 100 young Aborigines were arrested at least once in just a single year and faced an average of more than 5 charges each! http://www.crc.law.uwa.edu.au/public...original_youth

Western Oz has the highest ratio of indigenous to non-indigenous rates of imprisonment than any other state in Australia http://www.ncavac.gov.au/ncp/publica...prisonment.htm

The facts and figures speak for themselves and make pretty grim reading regardless of political viewpoint or racial background. To remedy any problem one must first recognise that it exists. The voting public can then put more pressure on The Government to remedy the causes for such alarming statistics and so create a better community for everybody.

Re: living in perth
 

Perth is'nt LA, it is not a violent city, the important thing is that it is highly unlikely you will be the victim of a violent crime such as murder, most violent crime that happens in Perth would be domestic violence. If your the victim of non-violent property crime such as car theft, vandalism , burglary you can always replace what you have lost through insurance. There probably are a few low income, high unemployment suburbs in Perth you should advoid, the type of places where if you leave your car parked on the street overnight it gets vandalised, but l would'nt be overly worried about crime living anywhere else in Perth.
Like you l live outside a town in a rural area (Victoria) which is almost crime free, l can leave my door unlocked and have never been burgled, like you said criminals can't be bothered to travel out to the middle of nowhere. Perhaps
your best option would be a semi-rural town or area just outside Perth, within a 1hours drive to Perth, if crime is an important issue for you.
Tasmania and Victoria are the states with the lowest crime rates.

Re: where in perth??
 

Yep, statistics statistics......however, how do you feel about the suggestion that aboriginals are an easy police target, an easy conviction? (what sort of defence do they have?)...the suggestion that they are they used to 'bump up' the success rate for crime resolution (I wonder what percentage of actual crimes are committed by aboriginals compared to the number of 'resolved' crimes having been committed by aboriginals). Not everything may be as it seems, and the facts and figures do not neccesarily speak for themselves....... :(

Re: living in perth
 

I've calmed down a bit after the incident. I guess it's just a dose of reality. I do like Perth but there does seem to be a lot of aggro these days. My pal at work was almost involved in a brawl in Subi last Wednesday night when he went to pick his son up from the pub where he was celebrating his 19th birthday - no reason, just drunken arseholes. There was that girl raped and murdered in Mindarie last year who has just had a few quiet drinks in the Boat. Plus that lad kicked to death at Hillarys marina last year. All places we frequent (It wasn't me BTW!)

Avoid Northbridge like the plague, there was the nightclub shooting a few weeks back and this weekend there was a gang fight with machetes when a bloke had his hand sliced off.

I realised that I do like it here, it's much better than the UK, it would be perfect if there weren't so many nutters here.

Re: where in perth??
 

Yep, statistics, statistics: as I mentioned, to remedy any problem one must first recognise that it exists.

Those who suggest that Aboriginals are simply an easy police target, an easy conviction may have noble ideas but they also, unwittingly perhaps, help perpetuate violence against Aboriginal women and children. They should read the following and hang their heads in shame:

1. In Western Australia, Aboriginal women are 45 times more likely than non-Aboriginal women to be a victim of domestic violence. (Ferrante, Morgan, Indermaur and Harding 1996).

2. Indigenous women are more than 10 times more likely to be a victim of homicide than other women in Australia. 75% of Indigenous women were killed by an intimate partner. Approximately 95 per cent of Indigenous women killed were killed by Indigenous men. (Mouzos 1999).

3. Western Australian data shows serious spousal assaults in Aboriginal communities represent 39.5% of serious assaults compared to 7.5 per cent in non-Aboriginal communities. The incidence of violence directed to family members was also higher: 17.2% of serious assaults in Aboriginal communities compared to 4.4 per cent in non-Aboriginal communities. (Lawlink, NSW).

4. Around 45% of Indigenous people considered that family violence was a common problem (Australian Bureau of Statistics 1995). In some communities violence is said to affect up to 90 per cent of Indigenous families (Queensland Domestic Violence Taskforce 1988:256).

5. Much of the violence against Indigenous women is not reported and does not lead to police intervention (Lawlink, NSW).

Also see: http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/cpd.nsf/pages/alr_chap2


Then again, as you say, it may be just that Aboriginals are an easy police target, an easy conviction or maybe they are simply used to 'bump up' the success rate for crime resolution? When forming your conclusion the following definition may be of assistance:

Denial (psychology): an unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=denial

Rather then deny any problem exists, wouldn't it be better to increase the focus of politicians on this area of crime so they can try to resolve the underlying reasons in the hope that we may create a better society for all concerned?

Re: living in perth
 

"Avoid Northbridge like the plague, there was the nightclub shooting a few weeks back and this weekend there was a gang fight with machetes when a bloke had his hand sliced off."

I had my first experience of Northbridge two weeks ago. Went out with a mate living in Perth for a few bevvies and made two observations:

1) It's a lot smaller than I'd imagined.

2) It's handbags at five paces compared with the vast majority of UK towns & cities on the weekend.

Re: living in perth
 

agreed. Like pretty much anywhere, if you don`t make a dick of yourself you won`t get your head kicked in.

Re: where in perth??
 

Thanks for the aloof reply. In short, you have misinterpreted the point I was trying to convey.

Re: where in perth??
 

Wasn't meant to be aloof, just trying to illustrate, in an unbiased way, that there is more to Aboriginal crime than the police picking on easy targets to improve their crime figures as you suggested.

If your point was that statistics can be manipulated to distort reality then, in general, I agree with you. However, it's a different matter when there are numerous studies from a multitude of impartial sources all illustrating similar issues.

Re: where in perth??
 

The point I was trying to make is that police have been accused of exercising lower levels of tolerance towards aboriginals with regard to [petty] crime. This is what leads to a 'distortion' of statistics. I did not at any time deny that serious crime within aboriginal communities exists. Two very different points here - I was only raising the former.

Re: living in perth
 

I'm glad its still for you. I can remember when the girl was murdered after a night out at the Boat. We loved it there too.

Re: where in perth??
 

I have just found out that 80% of all satistics are made up ;)

Re: living in perth
 

Can point you towards VILLA ITALLIA in north bridge awsome food and big ass cakes yummmmmmmmyyyyyyyyy