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Old Mar 16th 2010 | 11:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Deancm
There's no error correction with HDMI. While there can be digital signal degradation over distance, with short HDMI cables the signal will either work or it won't. This is why cheap HDMI cables are fine. If the cable works, it works. Buying an expensive cable doesn't mean that there will be better colour levels or better picture etc.

There's a good article about this on the AVForums: http://www.avforums.com/forums/inter...h-fiction.html
Ah ha, like me your a follower of AVF. Its a really difficult subject but there are a sseries of videos put out by AVF who do make an argument for "better" cables if not ridiculous priced ones.


Also, with respect, I do think your comment about "videophile" could be misunderstood. I like to take my HiFi TV seriously (or as series as budget and wife acceptablity factor will allow). As such I do a lot of research into what I'm buying to make sure I get the best all round performance for my money irrespective of brand etc. Styling does has some impact as at the end of the day most is largely on display.
Anyway I do think a large proportion of the population do not trouble themselves with some of the complex intricacies of performance and this is perfectly reasonable (even sensible the torment I've caused myself trying to optimise systems). As such they will be concerned with form, function and price and could not give a hoot about ISF calibration, black levels, contrasts ratios and the like. And at the end of the day thats quite right.
They may have good experiences with a brand, like their products and prices and hey presto.
As for the original post there are subtle differences between plasma and LCD (both pro and cons) and it does depend on usage patters, locations, ambient lighting etc. For routine users they largely will not concern themselves with absolute perfect performance and are happy with it. I think thats where us hobbyists can come over wrongly when simple advice is asked for.

Happy viewing everyone!

PS Australian TV is crap irrespective of the display you have!
 
Old Mar 17th 2010 | 12:17 am
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Originally Posted by Wol
Grain of truth - the better the error correction circuitry the fewer the picture interpolations, no?
As an electrical person I know that a bad connection - whether it be at 400kV or a few mV - will cause resistance, losses, errors etc. This would apply to an HDMI connection. A really crap HDMI cable (could be cheap) with poor connections could cause issues.
 
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Originally Posted by Deancm
The guys at Dick Smiths, Harvey Norman etc haven't got a clue what they are talking about. They try the old "you'll get less signal degradation with the more expensive ones and in turn get a better picture".

What a load of crap. It's a digital signal! It's either on or off.
Aye!

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2m HDMI cable from Comet £69.99 (Monster Cable)

http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/pro...-2M-HDMI-CABLE

1.5m HDMI from CableUniverse £1.75

http://www.cableuniverse.co.uk/catal...cat=230&page=1
Good deal ... it's only 1s and 0s innit?
 
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Originally Posted by EvannTel
<snip>PS Australian TV is crap irrespective of the display you have!
Can't say I've noticed the difference, the cricket is on free-to-air and that makes up for most of the drop in quality for me ... but I'm easily pleased ... I tend to download most of my viewing anyway ...
 
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Originally Posted by EvannTel
Ah ha, like me your a follower of AVF. Its a really difficult subject but there are a sseries of videos put out by AVF who do make an argument for "better" cables if not ridiculous priced ones.
Yes, a follower of AVF. It's a great forum for the enthusiast and anyone that wants to learn about AV equipment.

To quote the guy in the video re. HDMI cables "running digital content, once it's above the threshold of being good enough for the interface to function, the likelihood of the interface or the picture looking a little bit different is null. They're going to look pretty much identical."

So essentially what he is saying is that with a $5 or $200 HDMI cable, if it works the picture will be identical irrespective of the quality of the cable. (That's if it works)

Also, with respect, I do think your comment about "videophile" could be misunderstood.
Yes, you're probably right about that. To me though videophile just describes a video enthusiast.

I like to take my HiFi TV seriously (or as series as budget and wife acceptablity factor will allow). As such I do a lot of research into what I'm buying to make sure I get the best all round performance for my money irrespective of brand etc. Styling does has some impact as at the end of the day most is largely on display.
Me too. Spent far too much money over the years and i've already got my next set up planed. Sometimes it would be easier not to bother about it but once you have got the bug...

Anyway I do think a large proportion of the population do not trouble themselves with some of the complex intricacies of performance and this is perfectly reasonable (even sensible the torment I've caused myself trying to optimise systems). As such they will be concerned with form, function and price and could not give a hoot about ISF calibration, black levels, contrasts ratios and the like. And at the end of the day thats quite right.
They may have good experiences with a brand, like their products and prices and hey presto.
Spot on.

As for the original post there are subtle differences between plasma and LCD (both pro and cons) and it does depend on usage patters, locations, ambient lighting etc. For routine users they largely will not concern themselves with absolute perfect performance and are happy with it. I think thats where us hobbyists can come over wrongly when simple advice is asked for.
Yes. I suppose we can come over in a patronising way.

PS Australian TV is crap irrespective of the display you have!
Ditto to that!
 
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http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/03...ky_3d_tv_deal/
 
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That's a kick in the teeth for Sky's push for 3D TV.
 
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Originally Posted by Deancm
Right now the current Panny's are just the run of the mill stuff. The new 2010 range of plasmas to be released around June (the G20, V20 and VT20 3D) are the ones that are incorporating Pioneers Kuro tech. The G20, by all accounts falls short of the Kuro's but the V20 and VT20 are the ones to watch out for. Going to be interesting to see the Kuro v Panny side by side comparisons.

Pity they look crap, panasonic always drop the ball with design. Titanium finish for the V20 and metallic brown for the VT20. Why can't they just have a nice, classy, gloss piano black finish like the Pioneers.
My Panasonic has a silver streak along the bottom - but I am not reaching for my razor.

Fashions change - my 2004 16:9 CRT was silver.

A neighbour has a 4:3 1990s Grey TV - remember them!!
 
Old Mar 18th 2010 | 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
My Panasonic has a silver streak along the bottom - but I am not reaching for my razor.

Fashions change - my 2004 16:9 CRT was silver.

A neighbour has a 4:3 1990s Grey TV - remember them!!
I bought a silver TV about 6 years ago when it was all the fashion. After a couple of years it just looked tacky and the silver border around the screen annoyed me. But yeah, definitely not something the slit the wrists over. Wouldn't buy another one though.

Still got a 4:3 somewhere!
 
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Until a few months ago our main TV was ancient (and the remote was buggered) and the 2nd TV was black and white (it wasn't made that way ...).

Having something that has a handy volume control is novel change ...
 
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Until a few months ago our main TV was ancient (and the remote was buggered) and the 2nd TV was black and white (it wasn't made that way ...).

Having something that has a handy volume control is novel change ...
In 2000, (technical aside) I rejected the purchase of a smaller 16:9 for a 4:3 29" Sony Triniton on special. On the basis that a 16:9 TV wouldn't show 2:35 films without black bars anyhow.

One of my *****wit moments.

I was buying widescreen movies on VHS back in the early 1990s long before the masses got into it with DVD - I used to have conversations with unbelievers who didn't like black bars akin to the manner in which the know it all in the pub has....

A mate called me "Wide Screen Badge" for a while.
 
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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
In 2000, (technical aside) I rejected the purchase of a smaller 16:9 for a 4:3 29" Sony Triniton on special. On the basis that a 16:9 TV wouldn't show 2:35 films without black bars anyhow.

One of my *****wit moments.

I was buying widescreen movies on VHS back in the early 1990s long before the masses got into it with DVD - I used to have conversations with unbelievers who didn't like black bars akin to the manner in which the know it all in the pub has....

A mate called me "Wide Screen Badge" for a while.
Hehehe ... technology eh? It's all going 3D anyway so ya boo sucks to the current enormoscreen devotees

Reminds me, I must get a new monitor for the PC ... my super-ancient 18" CRT (free!) died and I'm stuggling along with an inherited 17" CRT that makes more buzzing noises than a can of mossies.

And to think I am meant to be 'into' technology ...
 
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Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
In 2000, (technical aside) I rejected the purchase of a smaller 16:9 for a 4:3 29" Sony Triniton on special. On the basis that a 16:9 TV wouldn't show 2:35 films without black bars anyhow.

One of my *****wit moments.

I was buying widescreen movies on VHS back in the early 1990s long before the masses got into it with DVD - I used to have conversations with unbelievers who didn't like black bars akin to the manner in which the know it all in the pub has....

A mate called me "Wide Screen Badge" for a while.
I remember when I was about 17 years old, in the late 80's, my dad bought a JVC S-VHS TV and video recorder. The picture was excellent. I ended up claiming it and I still had the TV up until about 2002 when it packed in. Super VHS never really took off but the TV was one of the best TV's I have ever had and even in the late 90's it still had a superior picture to most of the new TV's on the market at the time. I've still got the S-VHS video recorder stuck in the shed. Don't know if it still works or not.
 
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My mate had a laserdisc player, but he was inherently weird.
 
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My mate had a laserdisc player, but he was inherently weird.
Aha! Laserdisc, I remember them. Dragons Lair...
 


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