LCD Vs Plasma
#76
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There's no error correction with HDMI. While there can be digital signal degradation over distance, with short HDMI cables the signal will either work or it won't. This is why cheap HDMI cables are fine. If the cable works, it works. Buying an expensive cable doesn't mean that there will be better colour levels or better picture etc.
There's a good article about this on the AVForums: http://www.avforums.com/forums/inter...h-fiction.html
There's a good article about this on the AVForums: http://www.avforums.com/forums/inter...h-fiction.html
Also, with respect, I do think your comment about "videophile" could be misunderstood. I like to take my HiFi TV seriously (or as series as budget and wife acceptablity factor will allow). As such I do a lot of research into what I'm buying to make sure I get the best all round performance for my money irrespective of brand etc. Styling does has some impact as at the end of the day most is largely on display.
Anyway I do think a large proportion of the population do not trouble themselves with some of the complex intricacies of performance and this is perfectly reasonable (even sensible the torment I've caused myself trying to optimise systems). As such they will be concerned with form, function and price and could not give a hoot about ISF calibration, black levels, contrasts ratios and the like. And at the end of the day thats quite right.
They may have good experiences with a brand, like their products and prices and hey presto.
As for the original post there are subtle differences between plasma and LCD (both pro and cons) and it does depend on usage patters, locations, ambient lighting etc. For routine users they largely will not concern themselves with absolute perfect performance and are happy with it. I think thats where us hobbyists can come over wrongly when simple advice is asked for.
Happy viewing everyone!
PS Australian TV is crap irrespective of the display you have!
#77
As an electrical person I know that a bad connection - whether it be at 400kV or a few mV - will cause resistance, losses, errors etc. This would apply to an HDMI connection. A really crap HDMI cable (could be cheap) with poor connections could cause issues.
#78
The guys at Dick Smiths, Harvey Norman etc haven't got a clue what they are talking about. They try the old "you'll get less signal degradation with the more expensive ones and in turn get a better picture".
What a load of crap. It's a digital signal! It's either on or off.
What a load of crap. It's a digital signal! It's either on or off.

2m HDMI cable from Comet £69.99 (Monster Cable)
http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/pro...-2M-HDMI-CABLE
1.5m HDMI from CableUniverse £1.75
http://www.cableuniverse.co.uk/catal...cat=230&page=1
http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/pro...-2M-HDMI-CABLE
1.5m HDMI from CableUniverse £1.75
http://www.cableuniverse.co.uk/catal...cat=230&page=1
#79
Can't say I've noticed the difference, the cricket is on free-to-air and that makes up for most of the drop in quality for me ... but I'm easily pleased ... I tend to download most of my viewing anyway ...
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To quote the guy in the video re. HDMI cables "running digital content, once it's above the threshold of being good enough for the interface to function, the likelihood of the interface or the picture looking a little bit different is null. They're going to look pretty much identical."
So essentially what he is saying is that with a $5 or $200 HDMI cable, if it works the picture will be identical irrespective of the quality of the cable. (That's if it works)
Also, with respect, I do think your comment about "videophile" could be misunderstood.
I like to take my HiFi TV seriously (or as series as budget and wife acceptablity factor will allow). As such I do a lot of research into what I'm buying to make sure I get the best all round performance for my money irrespective of brand etc. Styling does has some impact as at the end of the day most is largely on display.
Anyway I do think a large proportion of the population do not trouble themselves with some of the complex intricacies of performance and this is perfectly reasonable (even sensible the torment I've caused myself trying to optimise systems). As such they will be concerned with form, function and price and could not give a hoot about ISF calibration, black levels, contrasts ratios and the like. And at the end of the day thats quite right.
They may have good experiences with a brand, like their products and prices and hey presto.
They may have good experiences with a brand, like their products and prices and hey presto.
As for the original post there are subtle differences between plasma and LCD (both pro and cons) and it does depend on usage patters, locations, ambient lighting etc. For routine users they largely will not concern themselves with absolute perfect performance and are happy with it. I think thats where us hobbyists can come over wrongly when simple advice is asked for.
PS Australian TV is crap irrespective of the display you have!
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#83
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Right now the current Panny's are just the run of the mill stuff. The new 2010 range of plasmas to be released around June (the G20, V20 and VT20 3D) are the ones that are incorporating Pioneers Kuro tech. The G20, by all accounts falls short of the Kuro's but the V20 and VT20 are the ones to watch out for. Going to be interesting to see the Kuro v Panny side by side comparisons.
Pity they look crap, panasonic always drop the ball with design. Titanium finish for the V20 and metallic brown for the VT20. Why can't they just have a nice, classy, gloss piano black finish like the Pioneers.
Pity they look crap, panasonic always drop the ball with design. Titanium finish for the V20 and metallic brown for the VT20. Why can't they just have a nice, classy, gloss piano black finish like the Pioneers.
Fashions change - my 2004 16:9 CRT was silver.
A neighbour has a 4:3 1990s Grey TV - remember them!!
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Still got a 4:3 somewhere!
#85
Until a few months ago our main TV was ancient (and the remote was buggered) and the 2nd TV was black and white (it wasn't made that way ...).
Having something that has a handy volume control is novel change ...
Having something that has a handy volume control is novel change ...
#86
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One of my *****wit moments.
I was buying widescreen movies on VHS back in the early 1990s long before the masses got into it with DVD - I used to have conversations with unbelievers who didn't like black bars akin to the manner in which the know it all in the pub has....
A mate called me "Wide Screen Badge" for a while.
#87
In 2000, (technical aside) I rejected the purchase of a smaller 16:9 for a 4:3 29" Sony Triniton on special. On the basis that a 16:9 TV wouldn't show 2:35 films without black bars anyhow.
One of my *****wit moments.
I was buying widescreen movies on VHS back in the early 1990s long before the masses got into it with DVD - I used to have conversations with unbelievers who didn't like black bars akin to the manner in which the know it all in the pub has....
A mate called me "Wide Screen Badge" for a while.
One of my *****wit moments.
I was buying widescreen movies on VHS back in the early 1990s long before the masses got into it with DVD - I used to have conversations with unbelievers who didn't like black bars akin to the manner in which the know it all in the pub has....
A mate called me "Wide Screen Badge" for a while.

Reminds me, I must get a new monitor for the PC ... my super-ancient 18" CRT (free!) died and I'm stuggling along with an inherited 17" CRT that makes more buzzing noises than a can of mossies.
And to think I am meant to be 'into' technology ...
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In 2000, (technical aside) I rejected the purchase of a smaller 16:9 for a 4:3 29" Sony Triniton on special. On the basis that a 16:9 TV wouldn't show 2:35 films without black bars anyhow.
One of my *****wit moments.
I was buying widescreen movies on VHS back in the early 1990s long before the masses got into it with DVD - I used to have conversations with unbelievers who didn't like black bars akin to the manner in which the know it all in the pub has....
A mate called me "Wide Screen Badge" for a while.
One of my *****wit moments.
I was buying widescreen movies on VHS back in the early 1990s long before the masses got into it with DVD - I used to have conversations with unbelievers who didn't like black bars akin to the manner in which the know it all in the pub has....
A mate called me "Wide Screen Badge" for a while.



