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ABCDiamond Apr 10th 2010 6:26 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by MDawson (Post 8486160)
instead of being a proud Englishman . ( A pom is an Englishman who has basically had his spine removed)

Someone just said that reads like British arrogance.

The British always did consider themselves superior to everyone else. Things like this make it embarrassing to be British at times.

Most Australians treat most British pretty equally, although there are exeptions.

Si T Apr 10th 2010 6:29 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by mulben (Post 8487371)
Where are the other Welsh - numbers are needed

We only allow so many to join. We are the best country/people/sheep in the world and anyone who says different can buggerllchdd offllchddff:p

In respone to the actual discussion why does everyone have to assume that people want to move to Oz because the UK is so bad? I am a very proud Brit (although Welsh first) and love my country but it does not mean that I would not like to try living somewhere else and give my kids experience of something different even if that different doesn't necessarily end up as something better.

From reading this and other forums the two extreme sets of views tend to dominate these discussions although it should be blaringly obvious that the fact that there are two extreme sets of means that those views are a direct result of your own experiences/perceptions and are not represenatative of the whole country. You also have a responsibility that while you are entitled to that view not to try and convince those who are in the decision/application process that your view is set in stone. If you can't do that then you aren't worth listening to in the first place as you cannot give a balanced view.
Please see transalation into Welsh below.












AchllFFtwy:rofl:

Hutch Apr 10th 2010 6:46 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by NKSK version 2 (Post 8487442)
When I was in SE Asia living with hundreds of expats, in general terms the Australians were by far the loudest and least sensitive expat group. At office events they seemed to have no limits - food fights and extreme drunkeness were common. Can't remember the popular song that was corrupted so that "F*&k Off" (or was it "Get F*&%ed"?) was part of one line but the Aussies blasted it out with abandon - it didn't matter who was present.
I'm sure that this might be excused as high spirits but the local Muslim population found it (along with most Brits it seemed) extremely offensive.

My experience living with Australians was so negative that it coloured my judgement prior to moving here. As I said in an earlier post, my experience with Australians here has been very positive - most surprising given what happened in SE Asia.

I've experienced this too - but I think it's more of an expat phenomenon rather than a particularly Australian one. By this I mean expat in the proper sense of the word, not the manner in which it's used on this site. Expats can be, in my experience, pretty loathsome individuals wherever they come from.

I've met some complete wanker Australian expats while in Hong Kong and some complete wanker English ones in Singapore. Seems that they feel they have free reign to behave in a repellent manner when they're on some temporary secondment to a merchant bank, insurance company or trading organisation of some description.

Childhood mate of mine now heads up the asia-pacific arm of a big financial company and I asked him if he'd learnt Japanese while living in Tokyo - he looked at me like I'd asked him if he enjoyed eating dog shit and said, "Good god, no!" Summed it up really.

Kim67 Apr 10th 2010 7:03 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by NKSK version 2 (Post 8487442)
When I was in SE Asia living with hundreds of expats, in general terms the Australians were by far the loudest and least sensitive expat group. At office events they seemed to have no limits - food fights and extreme drunkeness were common. Can't remember the popular song that was corrupted so that "F*&k Off" (or was it "Get F*&%ed"?) was part of one line but the Aussies blasted it out with abandon - it didn't matter who was present.
I'm sure that this might be excused as high spirits but the local Muslim population found it (along with most Brits it seemed) extremely offensive.

My experience living with Australians was so negative that it coloured my judgement prior to moving here. As I said in an earlier post, my experience with Australians here has been very positive - most surprising given what happened in SE Asia.

As Hutch has pointed out, loud obnoxious behaviour does seem to be an expat trait, however, we're not your average expats. We live life not a lot differently than we do in Australia. Most of the people I socialise with don't have maids and flashy cars, we still work and take our kids to school and pack their lunchbox. The UAE is obviously a little different to SE Asia as you behave in an offensive manner, especially being blind drunk in public, you go to jail, no questions asked. You may have heard about the recent spate of Brits sitting in prison here for kissing in public, affairs, living together outside of wedlock, being drunk, having sex on the beach etc etc.

By the way, the second national anthem you're thinking of is:



Am I ever gonna see your face again - No way get *****ed, ***** off

iamthecreaturefromuranus Apr 10th 2010 7:07 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by Kim67 (Post 8487416)
That's not what it amounts too, but your question to me was about calling you an ignorant twat.

I did say that I didn't mean you personally.


Australians for the most are proud of their country and we don't mind saying what a great place it is. For example, I live in the Middle East, the suns shines all year round, but you can't see the blue sky through the dust haze for nine months of the year. The English love it, think it's the best place on earth because they can lay out in the sun burning themselves to a crisp all year round - the permanent tan, an English persons dream. And I'm sure that's not all English people are like this, but certainly most of the one's that live in the Middle East. Yet we tell them the weather here isn't as good as Australia and to get a rashy and some boardies on their kids or risk them dying of skin cancer and we're being arrogant aussies.
Funnily enough its probably that sort of response that pisses certain sections off. You say Australia is great, which is fair enough, but then go on to frame it in such a way as to have a go at the English. Why is that?



My kids go to a British school where Brits outnumber Australians, but I'm always hearing about how many Australians are at the school and how we must outnumber any other country. Not true, it only seems that way because we're hands on and like to get stuck in and participate in everything.
That might be true of the Aussies in the UAE. I can't say I have seen any evidence of that here in Australia. Most Australian parents seem to be just as apathetic about school events as Brits.


At National Day recently, it was the Australian kids that got up and sung a number of Australian songs and sang the National Anthem (both verses because they all agreed that Beneath Our Radiant Southern Cross is the line that makes them feel most homesick). And before you ask, my kids also know the UAE National Anthem and can sing all of that in Arabic too
I would not have crossed my mind for one second to enquire if your kids could sing the UAE National Anthem... my two couldn't even sing the British National Anthem.

NKSK version 2 Apr 10th 2010 7:09 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by Kim67 (Post 8487501)
As Hutch has pointed out, loud obnoxious behaviour does seem to be an expat trait, however, we're not your average expats. We live life not a lot differently than we do in Australia. Most of the people I socialise with don't have maids and flashy cars, we still work and take our kids to school and pack their lunchbox. The UAE is obviously a little different to SE Asia as you behave in an offensive manner, especially being blind drunk in public, you go to jail, no questions asked. You may have heard about the recent spate of Brits sitting in prison here for kissing in public, affairs, living together outside of wedlock, being drunk, having sex on the beach etc etc.

By the way, the second national anthem you're thinking of is:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b7kYVjL2lps

Am I ever gonna see your face again - No way get *****ed, ***** off

Yes that's the song. And yes to both Hutch and you, I have seen obnoxious expat Brits - especially in Singapore strangely enough - usually along Boat Quay and usually in the Penny Black.

But I stick with the original assertion, that it was Australians who were the stand outs in my experience.

Kim67 Apr 10th 2010 7:17 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8487504)

That might be true of the Aussies in the UAE. I can't say I have seen any evidence of that here in Australia. Most Australian parents seem to be just as apathetic about school events as Brits.

At the schools my kids went to in Australia there was great parental support. Always heaps of parents at sports days etc and at least 90% parental attendance at any night time and weekend events, such as orchestral performances, wine and cheese nights, school fetes. Especially at the Catholic schools where the bar is always stocked very well. My girls are into dancing in a big way and we had a parent committee to raise funds for the teams costuming and entry into competitions. We all went along to watch, mum's, dad's, siblings, everyone supporting the kids.

MDawson Apr 10th 2010 7:29 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by AlanEll (Post 8486622)
This thread is very interesting and just makes me even more look forward to moving from England to Australia within the next year. I want to live in a country that is proud itself. I am pretty sick of being in the UK and everything is so negative. Uk is a great place to live, but no one says it !!

I am a scot who has enjoyed living in England for 10 years, but looking to get out before it implodes. I'm certainly glad I am out of Scotland as it is such a negative parochial country. Although I have enjoyed England, there is no doubt whatsoever that it is a country that is going downhill in a big way. They are letting too many people in (and that includes scottish !!), and the economy has no foundations (what does england make now ?). England is a nation of homeowners, who spend money based on the equity of their houses.

My kids are going to be better off growing up in a country that is POSITIVE and proud of itself, even if it borders on arrogance !!

Hope you enjoy your wet walks in the minging Derbyshire peaks, where the sun pokes through the dreary clouds once a year. Say hello to all the hairy bikers enjoying their ice cream in Matlock !!
:rolleyes::thumbsup::unsure::thumbup::lol:

Perhaps it's time you leave England , sooner the better then you too can be Arrogant mate....:thumbup:

iamthecreaturefromuranus Apr 10th 2010 7:43 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by AlanEll (Post 8486622)
They are letting too many people in (and that includes scottish !!), and the economy has no foundations (what does england make now ?). England is a nation of homeowners, who spend money based on the equity of their houses.


**** me are you in for a shock !!

NKSK version 2 Apr 10th 2010 7:50 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus (Post 8487543)
**** me are you in for a shock !!

And people have been saying that England is imploding for as long as I can remember - certainly since 1980.

kporte Apr 10th 2010 7:57 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by NKSK version 2 (Post 8487556)
And people have been saying that England is imploding for as long as I can remember - certainly since 1980.

Yep. It's been going to the dogs for decades, these dogs must live on Jupiter.

mohogony Apr 10th 2010 8:01 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by MDawson (Post 8486160)


if you move to Australia you will bacome a second class pom instead of being a proud Englishman .

Are there first and third class Poms?

mulben Apr 10th 2010 8:02 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 
Today 2:29 pm
Si T

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We only allow so many to join. We are the best country/people/sheep in the world and anyone who says different can buggerllchdd offllchddff
as Jillian Gillard would say - noice

arrogant sheep too - very appealing :ohmy:

DeadVim Apr 10th 2010 8:15 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by Kim67 (Post 8487501)
<snip>By the way, the second national anthem you're thinking of is:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b7kYVjL2lps

Am I ever gonna see your face again - No way get *****ed, ***** off

And they are still ace ... seen 'em 3 times, every one a winner. :thumbup:

Kim67 Apr 10th 2010 8:27 pm

Re: Australian Arrogance
 

Originally Posted by DeadVim (Post 8487577)
And they are still ace ... seen 'em 3 times, every one a winner. :thumbup:

They are, and Doc has just gotten better with age - such a sexy old boy.


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