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Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by mohogony
(Post 8487567)
Are there first and third class Poms?
This I couldn't lower myself to do, equal yes fine but I'm not going to grovel to anyone. Poms who do this really are pathetic and embarrasing . |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by Hutch
(Post 8487485)
I've experienced this too - but I think it's more of an expat phenomenon rather than a particularly Australian one. By this I mean expat in the proper sense of the word, not the manner in which it's used on this site. Expats can be, in my experience, pretty loathsome individuals wherever they come from.
I've met some complete wanker Australian expats while in Hong Kong and some complete wanker English ones in Singapore. Seems that they feel they have free reign to behave in a repellent manner when they're on some temporary secondment to a merchant bank, insurance company or trading organisation of some description. Childhood mate of mine now heads up the asia-pacific arm of a big financial company and I asked him if he'd learnt Japanese while living in Tokyo - he looked at me like I'd asked him if he enjoyed eating dog shit and said, "Good god, no!" Summed it up really. I know what you mean. I have had bad experiences of British expats during my time in Sydney. Some of the expats I have meet are very uncouth, racist and narrowminded. Australia certainly seems to attract a certain demographic. On the other hand I have met some great expats and the same can be said for the Aussies I have become friends with. |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by NKSK version 2
(Post 8487442)
When I was in SE Asia living with hundreds of expats, in general terms the Australians were by far the loudest and least sensitive expat group. At office events they seemed to have no limits - food fights and extreme drunkeness were common. Can't remember the popular song that was corrupted so that "F*&k Off" (or was it "Get F*&%ed"?) was part of one line but the Aussies blasted it out with abandon - it didn't matter who was present.
I'm sure that this might be excused as high spirits but the local Muslim population found it (along with most Brits it seemed) extremely offensive. My experience living with Australians was so negative that it coloured my judgement prior to moving here. As I said in an earlier post, my experience with Australians here has been very positive - most surprising given what happened in SE Asia.
Originally Posted by NKSK version 2
(Post 8487506)
Yes that's the song. And yes to both Hutch and you, I have seen obnoxious expat Brits - especially in Singapore strangely enough - usually along Boat Quay and usually in the Penny Black.
But I stick with the original assertion, that it was Australians who were the stand outs in my experience.
Originally Posted by Hutch
(Post 8487485)
I've experienced this too - but I think it's more of an expat phenomenon rather than a particularly Australian one. By this I mean expat in the proper sense of the word, not the manner in which it's used on this site. Expats can be, in my experience, pretty loathsome individuals wherever they come from.
I've met some complete wanker Australian expats while in Hong Kong and some complete wanker English ones in Singapore. Seems that they feel they have free reign to behave in a repellent manner when they're on some temporary secondment to a merchant bank, insurance company or trading organisation of some description.
Originally Posted by MDawson
(Post 8487604)
The only way to become a first class person in Australia is to Bag all things English (British) Patronise the Aussies and you will be accepted .
This I couldn't lower myself to do, equal yes fine but I'm not going to grovel to anyone. Poms who do this really are pathetic and embarrasing . Why do so many trolls place a gap between their last letters and full-stops..? |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Just to fire things up a bit more I feel that in the UK the problem is almost the exact opposite. We seem almost embarrassed to be British. So much so that we can often be over-accommodating to the detriment of our own culture.
Take the English flag and St George’s Day. St George’s Day isn’t even a national holiday, and we’re so concerned about getting the English flag out for fear of making others feel uncomfortable, that we’ve allowed it to be highjacked by organisations like the BNP. So I would say that our over-embarrassed, over-concerned, over-accommodating nature is even more harmful to our national identity to a point where it's disappearing. At least the Australians seem proud to be Australian and feel they have the right to express it. |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Before the 1970s there was a real cultural cringe from Australians towards their own country. They were worried about the dwindling numbers of people watching the parade on ANZAC Day. Read 'The One Day of the Year'. These days it has become a rite of passage to go to Gallipoli.
To many England was still seen as the home country even though many were second or third generation Australian. When I was in primary school we still sang God Save the Queen whilst looking at the portrait of Her Majesty in the hall. Patriotism in Australia is really only a modern phenomena. Australia Day wasn't really celebrated. I think things changed in 1988 during the Bi-Centennial. To some this may seem like arrogance I guess. |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by earlybird
(Post 8487660)
Before the 1970s there was a real cultural cringe from Australians towards their own country.
Yet people complain that Australians never critique their country. The joint is full of paradoxes! It's a big attraction and fascination for me. |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
(Post 8487671)
The 70s with Barry McKensie, the 80s with Paul Hogan etc. Was he his own worst enemy?
Yet people complain that Australians never critique their country. The joint is full of paradoxes! It's a big attraction and fascination for me. |
Re: Australian Arrogance
I still feel the Aussies are generally Arrogant and most of this is just handed down to them by their elders and presently the Australian media.
Some people seem to confuse arrogance and confidence, confident Australians would not have to be loud and brash and be over-jingoistic , whilst I lived there I got sick of hearing the national anthem over and over , it's just too much and over the top. I know Australia is a young nation but maybe it's time to mature a little and perhaps not be the petulant child of this planet. Just chill out a bit and stop trying to prove some point , those saying the British are arrogant must be watching some old movies about Empire days or something , thats all history.....move on people. |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by NKSK version 2
(Post 8487123)
I can't quite understand how people can have such completely opposite experiences.
I observe many of the bad experiences, actually not even bad to be honest, from a distance as a bystander. I'm a commuter. I can well see that other people are completely immersed.
Originally Posted by iamthecreaturefromuranus
(Post 8487127)
I'm doing nothing of the ****ing sort....
I think the claim that most Australians don't travel is bollocks... I also think the rubbish that usually gets trotted out in threads like this about ALL Australians travelling the globe on a daily basis is also bollocks. **** sake, I can see how people who try to point out anything negative about Australia say they get rounded on in the Barbie. :thumbdown: None said that ALL people do any one thing so we are in agreement on that one. It's the spirit of the posts too and perhaps whether they back trolls. Were you making a point that people *would* say they know Australians travel, perhaps unnecessarily, in which case I apologise.. |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by MDawson
(Post 8487604)
The only way to become a first class person in Australia is to Bag all things English (British) Patronise the Aussies and you will be accepted .
This I couldn't lower myself to do, equal yes fine but I'm not going to grovel to anyone. Poms who do this really are pathetic and embarrasing . I haven't met anyone who hasn't had respect for the English. |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by MDawson
(Post 8487604)
The only way to become a first class person in Australia is to Bag all things English (British) Patronise the Aussies and you will be accepted .
Living in Sydney, I'm surprised that anyone thinks being a pom is a big deal or that they get any favours or grief because of it. If you think you're constantly being patronised or not accepted because of it, or it's an issue all the time, I'm reminded of the truism "people who go looking for trouble usually find it". Maybe if you live in Woopwoop it's not the same, I don't know. |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by NKSK version 2
(Post 8487442)
When I was in SE Asia living with hundreds of expats, in general terms the Australians were by far the loudest and least sensitive expat group. At office events they seemed to have no limits - food fights and extreme drunkeness were common. Can't remember the popular song that was corrupted so that "F*&k Off" (or was it "Get F*&%ed"?) was part of one line but the Aussies blasted it out with abandon - it didn't matter who was present.
I'm sure that this might be excused as high spirits but the local Muslim population found it (along with most Brits it seemed) extremely offensive. My experience living with Australians was so negative that it coloured my judgement prior to moving here. As I said in an earlier post, my experience with Australians here has been very positive - most surprising given what happened in SE Asia. |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by MDawson
(Post 8486160)
I recently moved back to the UK after nine long years in Australia.
Sydney and Brisbane. I had no real complaints about the weather , although it did get a bit too hot and sticky in the summer and the flies put a stop to any picnics and oh yes it lacked green hills and countryside to have a decent walk and picnic with the family. The main issue I had with Australia is how most Aussies actually believe they are better than the rest of the human race (god knows why) Many Aussies haven't travelled or been outside their own back yard and just listen to the Aussie media telling them how wonderful they are and their country. I'm much more content now back here in Derbyshire , England isn't perfect but one thing I can say for sure, neither is Australia. Difference is the British are not so arrogant and one -eyed. I would warn anyone thinking of moving to Oz to think and think again , if you move to Australia you will bacome a second class pom instead of being a proud Englishman . ( A pom is an Englishman who has basically had his spine removed) |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by MDawson
(Post 8486160)
I recently moved back to the UK after nine long years in Australia.
Sydney and Brisbane. I had no real complaints about the weather , although it did get a bit too hot and sticky in the summer and the flies put a stop to any picnics and oh yes it lacked green hills and countryside to have a decent walk and picnic with the family. The main issue I had with Australia is how most Aussies actually believe they are better than the rest of the human race (god knows why) Many Aussies haven't travelled or been outside their own back yard and just listen to the Aussie media telling them how wonderful they are and their country. I'm much more content now back here in Derbyshire , England isn't perfect but one thing I can say for sure, neither is Australia. Difference is the British are not so arrogant and one -eyed. I would warn anyone thinking of moving to Oz to think and think again , if you move to Australia you will bacome a second class pom instead of being a proud Englishman . ( A pom is an Englishman who has basically had his spine removed) |
Re: Australian Arrogance
Originally Posted by NKSK version 2
(Post 8487774)
I disagree.
I haven't met anyone who hasn't had respect for the English. I will set the scene I am British I was with my husband who is British and our 4 friends. The friends 1. Greek Cypriot born in Australia 2. Maltese born in Australia 3. Indian (British passport holder) married to Australian 4. indonesian born in Germany (father in forces) Australian I ordered some drinks at the bar and asked what choices of juice they had, was being totally ignored by barman, who was on his mobile, I asked if they were still serving 2pm in the day. The barman got all annoyed and started telling me to wait he was talking to his friend, I then said well I am trying to buy my friends a drink !! he then yelled of you don't like it get back to your own country !!! I said where is your manager, she came over I explained what had just been said and she said " He can say what he likes he was on the phone to his friend" Can I just say this The barman was Italian with a VERY strong italian accent The manager was Asian I had to laugh when I told my friends that I was with what just happened especially when one of them told me the following. Both the people in the bar were on working and student visas. Whilst I am an Australian passport holder Funny how I was asked to leave my own country when they were just borrowing it !!! I think there is a lot of racism in Australia and that is by all races. I worked with people from all over the world in the hospitals in Australia and got on better with any of them that I did with any of the UK staff in the UK hospitals I worked in. On saying that the Aussies were the worst of all the people I worked with, very suspicious and very racist towards Asians and Europeans, They do LOVE to use the word WOG and that was by staff in their 20's so not a 70's thing. The funny thing was all my European (born in Australia) friends called the Aussies Anglos !!! I was also asked by many Aussies why I would want to live in their shit country when I had Europe and so many countries on my doorstep.. |
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