Whats wrong with the telly?
Jun 1st 2005, 9:36 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by rincewind
Interesting points but I feel that recent horror movies are moving away from the gore.
Nothing today comes close to the gore effects of the Hellraiser series, A Nightmare on Elm Street movies, etc.
I think the horror effect now is the use of your own imagination. If you show less, the audience fill in the gaps and it creates a personal experience within a movie.
I've gotten to the point where gore is a turn off in a movie. I prefer suspense. You know, the edge of your seat stuff. I don't think you need gore to portray horror in the same way you don't need a sex scene in a movie to portray romance.
I may be getting old but all I want to see is a couple get in bed, they switch out the light and then it cuts to the morning scene. I know what they did, I don't need to see it. If I wanted to see sex, I'll rent a porno.
Nothing today comes close to the gore effects of the Hellraiser series, A Nightmare on Elm Street movies, etc.
I think the horror effect now is the use of your own imagination. If you show less, the audience fill in the gaps and it creates a personal experience within a movie.
I've gotten to the point where gore is a turn off in a movie. I prefer suspense. You know, the edge of your seat stuff. I don't think you need gore to portray horror in the same way you don't need a sex scene in a movie to portray romance.
I may be getting old but all I want to see is a couple get in bed, they switch out the light and then it cuts to the morning scene. I know what they did, I don't need to see it. If I wanted to see sex, I'll rent a porno.
thats cause youre getting old
Jun 1st 2005, 9:45 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by rincewind
But to me it's just pure entertainment. Watching bullets flying around and great fight scenes in movies like The Matrix, Blade Trilogy, etc. To me, what happens on film, doesn't happen in the real world. The real world is much worse and I would disagree that it's caused by violent movies (not that you said that but that's the general angle taken).
If someone watches a violent movie and then goes out and shoots someone, they already had a few marbles missing in the first place and just needed a trigger. The trigger could have been anything.
Columbine was first blamed on The Matrix movie and then it passed to Marilyn Manson because they listened to his music. Those kids were screwed in the head and would have done what they did even if they liked The Carpenters.
I'm not trying to bust on you (promise ) but why do you feel it's not okay to portray violence as you feel it deems it an accepted action whereas you are okay with graphic sex scenes? In your view, surely that promotes sexual activity to underage kids?
I've probably gone off track a little as I don't think you specified an age group but IMHO, violent movies being blamed for violent real life crime is only an excuse avoiding the root cause.
If someone watches a violent movie and then goes out and shoots someone, they already had a few marbles missing in the first place and just needed a trigger. The trigger could have been anything.
Columbine was first blamed on The Matrix movie and then it passed to Marilyn Manson because they listened to his music. Those kids were screwed in the head and would have done what they did even if they liked The Carpenters.
I'm not trying to bust on you (promise
) but why do you feel it's not okay to portray violence as you feel it deems it an accepted action whereas you are okay with graphic sex scenes? In your view, surely that promotes sexual activity to underage kids?I've probably gone off track a little as I don't think you specified an age group but IMHO, violent movies being blamed for violent real life crime is only an excuse avoiding the root cause.
I know where you're coming from Rince , however the movies you mentioned are mainly sci-fi/fantasy type stuff. I don't know if people are really going to think Keanu Reeves is the chosen one after watching the Matrix or if Vampires really do live in sewers hunted down only by Wesley Snipes and Kris Kristofferson after seeing Blade. I think those types of films are more similar to a video game than they are to reality. What I'm talking about is violence and rape scenes depictedly very really on shows such as Law and Order or CSI.
People saying it was Marilyn Mansons fault that those kids went and shot half their schoolmates was more about finding a scapegoat and says a lot about the kind of blame culture we live in. It was interesting to see that Manson was basically the most articulate person in Bowling For Columbine.
Would you be alright with one of your kids watching a woman getting her throat slit by her husband on TV at 6pm?
Jun 1st 2005, 10:49 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by SarahUK
Would you be alright with one of your kids watching a woman getting her throat slit by her husband on TV at 6pm?
Agree with you on the Manson interview on Columbine
. He's an intelligent man behind the make-up. His biography is awesome.
Jun 1st 2005, 11:36 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by rincewind
No, which is why I block certain channels. I'm not going to ruin entertainment for everyone else. I have the ability to control what is watched in the home and I use it.
Agree with you on the Manson interview on Columbine . He's an intelligent man behind the make-up. His biography is awesome.
Agree with you on the Manson interview on Columbine
. He's an intelligent man behind the make-up. His biography is awesome.
Jun 2nd 2005, 12:03 am
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Nowt wrong with our telly, the High Def picture is great 
Definately a plus over the UK, shame its not standard yet, but I'm sure it will be in a few years.....
But to throw in my tuppence, I don't really have too many complaints about american tv along the line of your theme, but then again we don't have any kids yet. Only things that bug me is the repetiveness of it all, ads, news, repeating episodes. The news quality (with one or two exceptions) gets a special plug - very inward looking I feel, and seemingly aimed at the lowest IQ, presented by constantly smiling bimbos who have no clue what they are talking about but pretending they do which is especially annoying.
Definately a plus over the UK, shame its not standard yet, but I'm sure it will be in a few years.....But to throw in my tuppence, I don't really have too many complaints about american tv along the line of your theme, but then again we don't have any kids yet. Only things that bug me is the repetiveness of it all, ads, news, repeating episodes. The news quality (with one or two exceptions) gets a special plug - very inward looking I feel, and seemingly aimed at the lowest IQ, presented by constantly smiling bimbos who have no clue what they are talking about but pretending they do which is especially annoying.
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Jun 2nd 2005, 12:09 am
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by rincewind
But to me it's just pure entertainment. Watching bullets flying around and great fight scenes in movies like The Matrix, Blade Trilogy, etc. To me, what happens on film, doesn't happen in the real world. The real world is much worse and I would disagree that it's caused by violent movies (not that you said that but that's the general angle taken).
If someone watches a violent movie and then goes out and shoots someone, they already had a few marbles missing in the first place and just needed a trigger. The trigger could have been anything.
Columbine was first blamed on The Matrix movie and then it passed to Marilyn Manson because they listened to his music. Those kids were screwed in the head and would have done what they did even if they liked The Carpenters.
I'm not trying to bust on you (promise ) but why do you feel it's not okay to portray violence as you feel it deems it an accepted action whereas you are okay with graphic sex scenes? In your view, surely that promotes sexual activity to underage kids?
I've probably gone off track a little as I don't think you specified an age group but IMHO, violent movies being blamed for violent real life crime is only an excuse avoiding the root cause.
If someone watches a violent movie and then goes out and shoots someone, they already had a few marbles missing in the first place and just needed a trigger. The trigger could have been anything.
Columbine was first blamed on The Matrix movie and then it passed to Marilyn Manson because they listened to his music. Those kids were screwed in the head and would have done what they did even if they liked The Carpenters.
I'm not trying to bust on you (promise
) but why do you feel it's not okay to portray violence as you feel it deems it an accepted action whereas you are okay with graphic sex scenes? In your view, surely that promotes sexual activity to underage kids?I've probably gone off track a little as I don't think you specified an age group but IMHO, violent movies being blamed for violent real life crime is only an excuse avoiding the root cause.
I'm not saying violent films CAUSE violent lives, but that by watching and accepting violence, and enjoying being entertained by it, we are immunising ourselves against the actual horror of it in life . Rather like those phobia cures where if you handle snakes or spiders, or whatever you're afraid of, you can actually overcome your revulsion.
I would not be happy for children to watch graphic sex scenes, I was speaking only about my own taste. I think that if such films were easily available to youngsters it would indeed encourage under-age sex. But even then, that's not nearly as bad as any-age violence.
Jun 2nd 2005, 12:16 am
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Dimsie
I'm not saying violent films CAUSE violent lives, but that by watching and accepting violence, and enjoying being entertained by it, we are immunising ourselves against the actual horror of it in life.
I'm able to grasp that TV isn't real and not every one that watches it gets desensitized to violence. When it's real and in your face, it's a whole new ball game.
As an example, I can watch a movie where someone gets their head cut off. Just like the scene in Braveheart. No emotion. No repulsion, no elation. Nothing.
Yet, when I saw the movie clip of the guy being beheaded in Iraq, I felt physically sick. Because I know that's real and the movies are just make-up and special effects.
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Jun 2nd 2005, 12:36 am
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by ImHere
Now I know Im going to get flamed for this, and im not having a religion bash, but I am actually quoting what I was told by an American when I asked them a similar question:
Me: "Why do they censor out all the swearing and breasts but happily blow each other up and maim and kill in full gore on TV when kids are watching?"
Them: "Because cussing isnt Christian".
Me: "But what about the killing and gore?"
Them: "Christians can kill in name of good."
Go figure.
Me: "Why do they censor out all the swearing and breasts but happily blow each other up and maim and kill in full gore on TV when kids are watching?"
Them: "Because cussing isnt Christian".
Me: "But what about the killing and gore?"
Them: "Christians can kill in name of good."
Go figure.
and if they do it in the name of good they are doing Gods work, so God kills people - the bastard!
Jun 2nd 2005, 1:01 am
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by rincewind
I'm able to grasp that TV isn't real and not every one that watches it gets desensitized to violence. When it's real and in your face, it's a whole new ball game.
You know this Rince, but you're grown up with an adult mind and understanding and defences. What's a little kid supposed to make of it all?
Jun 2nd 2005, 1:01 am
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by rincewind
I guess that's where you and I differ. I get no reaction from violence in movies. Yet when I see violence on the News or see violence out in the streets, it makes me nauseous.
I'm able to grasp that TV isn't real and not every one that watches it gets desensitized to violence. When it's real and in your face, it's a whole new ball game.
As an example, I can watch a movie where someone gets their head cut off. Just like the scene in Braveheart. No emotion. No repulsion, no elation. Nothing.
Yet, when I saw the movie clip of the guy being beheaded in Iraq, I felt physically sick. Because I know that's real and the movies are just make-up and special effects.
I'm able to grasp that TV isn't real and not every one that watches it gets desensitized to violence. When it's real and in your face, it's a whole new ball game.
As an example, I can watch a movie where someone gets their head cut off. Just like the scene in Braveheart. No emotion. No repulsion, no elation. Nothing.
Yet, when I saw the movie clip of the guy being beheaded in Iraq, I felt physically sick. Because I know that's real and the movies are just make-up and special effects.
I saw the video of the guy being beheaded in Iraq as well. I found it almost laughable. The Iraqi dingleberries in the video seemed to have no clue how to cut a man's head off.
A friend of mine who is a retired Green Beret captain and Veitnam vet, saw the video and exclaimed "that's not how you cut a damned head off". He had done it many times in Nam.
Jun 2nd 2005, 1:12 am
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
You know this Rince, but you're grown up with an adult mind and understanding and defences. What's a little kid supposed to make of it all?
Parental control. You can block channels. Parents should take more responsibility in what their kids watch.
Originally Posted by rincewind
A little hint. If you don't want your child watching slasher movies during the day, use the parental lock on the receiver.
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Jun 2nd 2005, 1:48 am
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Jabba1
A friend of mine who is a retired Green Beret captain and Veitnam vet, saw the video and exclaimed "that's not how you cut a damned head off". He had done it many times in Nam.
Jun 2nd 2005, 2:12 am
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Jabba1
I saw the video of the guy being beheaded in Iraq as well. I found it almost laughable. The Iraqi dingleberries in the video seemed to have no clue how to cut a man's head off.
A friend of mine who is a retired Green Beret captain and Veitnam vet, saw the video and exclaimed "that's not how you cut a damned head off". He had done it many times in Nam.
A friend of mine who is a retired Green Beret captain and Veitnam vet, saw the video and exclaimed "that's not how you cut a damned head off". He had done it many times in Nam.
Jun 2nd 2005, 2:44 am
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by SarahUK
You found it laughable? Nice. I found it a horrific murder. Where do you go for real laughs, a hospice?
"Almost laughable" was the term I used. I didn't say it wasn't horrific, it certainly was. However, the sight of Iraq's answer to the Three Stooges thinking they knew how to behead someone when they obviously didn't....
Let's just say they were probably an embarrasment to terrorists everywhere.
I was horrified and slightly amused at the same time- if such a thing is possible.
Jun 2nd 2005, 2:50 am
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
All I'll say that is I very rarely watch any TV in the US. The reasons for not watching TV here are too numerous to mention.
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