Whats wrong with the telly?
Jun 1st 2005, 6:26 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Dimsie
My view is probably not going to be popular, but I think that not only children, but even we adults watch too much violence in films and on TV, both in the UK and the USA.
We will (or have) become immune to the horror of killing, violence, & general nastiness. Films become more and more horrific to satisfy the growing appetites of a public who has become used to such a diet of grotesque, if cleverly produced, offerings. Until people start staying away from these films though, nothing will change. And the films will arrive on TV in due course.....and the cycle will not end.
We will (or have) become immune to the horror of killing, violence, & general nastiness. Films become more and more horrific to satisfy the growing appetites of a public who has become used to such a diet of grotesque, if cleverly produced, offerings. Until people start staying away from these films though, nothing will change. And the films will arrive on TV in due course.....and the cycle will not end.
Nothing today comes close to the gore effects of the Hellraiser series, A Nightmare on Elm Street movies, etc.
I think the horror effect now is the use of your own imagination. If you show less, the audience fill in the gaps and it creates a personal experience within a movie.
I've gotten to the point where gore is a turn off in a movie. I prefer suspense. You know, the edge of your seat stuff. I don't think you need gore to portray horror in the same way you don't need a sex scene in a movie to portray romance.
I may be getting old but all I want to see is a couple get in bed, they switch out the light and then it cuts to the morning scene. I know what they did, I don't need to see it. If I wanted to see sex, I'll rent a porno.
Jun 1st 2005, 6:26 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
This is why, when I become President (lol 
) I'll be making violence on TV before 9pm illegal, but hardcore porno after 11pm will be fine.
) I'll be making violence on TV before 9pm illegal, but hardcore porno after 11pm will be fine.
Jun 1st 2005, 6:28 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Ray
Thats not fair ... I have to be in bed by 10pm .. The twilight home is very strict about that ...
Jun 1st 2005, 6:29 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by anotherlimey
You'll have to learn to use a Tivo, pause, play, pause, rewind, pause, play...
Jun 1st 2005, 6:32 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Ray
... we are poor country people ...
Jun 1st 2005, 6:34 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Ray
Trouble is you have to pay a monthly fee for that ... we are poor country people ...
Helllllo!!! America. Don here, never been here before, probably never will again.
Jun 1st 2005, 6:46 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Whats wrong with the telly?
Is it plugged in?
Is it plugged in?
Jun 1st 2005, 7:06 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Ray
Trouble is you have to pay a monthly fee for that ... we are poor country people ...
Jun 1st 2005, 7:46 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by SarahUK
Just like to hear you opinions on what you thought of American TV after you moved here.
I'm not talking about the obvious, like the fact that there are adverts every 0.5 seconds or that sometimes you've sworn all 279 channels in your home have all been showing Maury Povich or reality tv at the same time, but more about the level of violence on TV programmes.
One of the first things I noticed about shows over here was that they seemed more violent, I've never really been a fan of stuff like CSI although I know loads of people love it. Recently though I can't help feeling like the level of blood and guts is getting more and more. Law and Order was on in the background the other day and its opening scene was a really graphic, brutal rape, it was only about 8pm! A few weeks ago the USA channel were showing "The Omen" movie marathon from 6pm onwards which I thought was a bit sick. Then tonight my husband was flicking through the channels and on one show he flicked to was of cops discovering a woman half naked, chained to a bed with her legs apart and a ton of blood coming from her vagina. I am a bit sensitive to violence against women, I just think there's a hell of a lot of it in the cinema and TV and people get very used to seeing women being beaten up or raped or murdered and get desensitised to it (which I don't feel is a good thing) so I'll admit to that, however I don't think I'm overly sensitive to it, just very aware of it.
Also, I can't help noticing the time shows are put on; a while after I first moved over here I was up at the in-laws and was a bit taken aback to walk into the living room to see my 10 year-old nephew, who'd just come in from school, sat cross legged on the floor watching a 3pm showing of "Nightmare On Elm Street 3" He sat and watched as Freddy slashed his way through a load of teenagers whilst my in-laws sauntered through like it was the most normal thing in the world.
Am I just turning into some real conservative prude? Or is violence and scheduling on TV in the UK a lot more closely monitored? The only things I remember watching after school were Grange Hill and Tony Hart - I would've got a slap round the earhole if I'd been discovered watching "Nightmare on Elm Street" In fact my Uncle went ballistic when he discovered me and my cousin were watching "Fatal Attraction" when we were about 13 and nearly grounded us for a week!
Do you think I'm over-reacting a bit? Has anyone else here found that the programme scheduling ot be a little off at after-school times or felt a similar way about the violence on TV?
I'm not talking about the obvious, like the fact that there are adverts every 0.5 seconds or that sometimes you've sworn all 279 channels in your home have all been showing Maury Povich or reality tv at the same time, but more about the level of violence on TV programmes.
One of the first things I noticed about shows over here was that they seemed more violent, I've never really been a fan of stuff like CSI although I know loads of people love it. Recently though I can't help feeling like the level of blood and guts is getting more and more. Law and Order was on in the background the other day and its opening scene was a really graphic, brutal rape, it was only about 8pm! A few weeks ago the USA channel were showing "The Omen" movie marathon from 6pm onwards which I thought was a bit sick. Then tonight my husband was flicking through the channels and on one show he flicked to was of cops discovering a woman half naked, chained to a bed with her legs apart and a ton of blood coming from her vagina. I am a bit sensitive to violence against women, I just think there's a hell of a lot of it in the cinema and TV and people get very used to seeing women being beaten up or raped or murdered and get desensitised to it (which I don't feel is a good thing) so I'll admit to that, however I don't think I'm overly sensitive to it, just very aware of it.
Also, I can't help noticing the time shows are put on; a while after I first moved over here I was up at the in-laws and was a bit taken aback to walk into the living room to see my 10 year-old nephew, who'd just come in from school, sat cross legged on the floor watching a 3pm showing of "Nightmare On Elm Street 3" He sat and watched as Freddy slashed his way through a load of teenagers whilst my in-laws sauntered through like it was the most normal thing in the world.
Am I just turning into some real conservative prude? Or is violence and scheduling on TV in the UK a lot more closely monitored? The only things I remember watching after school were Grange Hill and Tony Hart - I would've got a slap round the earhole if I'd been discovered watching "Nightmare on Elm Street" In fact my Uncle went ballistic when he discovered me and my cousin were watching "Fatal Attraction" when we were about 13 and nearly grounded us for a week!
Do you think I'm over-reacting a bit? Has anyone else here found that the programme scheduling ot be a little off at after-school times or felt a similar way about the violence on TV?
Its bad isn't it? But hey, they'll omit every swear word there is.
Jun 1st 2005, 7:51 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by rincewind
Interesting points but I feel that recent horror movies are moving away from the gore.
Nothing today comes close to the gore effects of the Hellraiser series, A Nightmare on Elm Street movies, etc.
I think the horror effect now is the use of your own imagination. If you show less, the audience fill in the gaps and it creates a personal experience within a movie.
I've gotten to the point where gore is a turn off in a movie. I prefer suspense. You know, the edge of your seat stuff. I don't think you need gore to portray horror in the same way you don't need a sex scene in a movie to portray romance.
I may be getting old but all I want to see is a couple get in bed, they switch out the light and then it cuts to the morning scene. I know what they did, I don't need to see it. If I wanted to see sex, I'll rent a porno.
Nothing today comes close to the gore effects of the Hellraiser series, A Nightmare on Elm Street movies, etc.
I think the horror effect now is the use of your own imagination. If you show less, the audience fill in the gaps and it creates a personal experience within a movie.
I've gotten to the point where gore is a turn off in a movie. I prefer suspense. You know, the edge of your seat stuff. I don't think you need gore to portray horror in the same way you don't need a sex scene in a movie to portray romance.
I may be getting old but all I want to see is a couple get in bed, they switch out the light and then it cuts to the morning scene. I know what they did, I don't need to see it. If I wanted to see sex, I'll rent a porno.
You're probably right regarding true horror films, Rincewind, but I was thinking more of the action/tough guy type of movie, where life is depicted as cheap and expendable, and violence is accepted as a natural part of living. We don't need to be entertained by watching the sufferings of others, surely ?
Regarding sex in films - I don't mind seeing it graphically portrayed perhaps once in a film, where it's a proper part of the storyline, and not simply an additional titilation. Mostly I prefer the old fashioned way - cut to crashing waves etc...LOL!
Jun 1st 2005, 7:54 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Dimsie
We don't need to be entertained by watching the sufferings of others, surely ?
Jun 1st 2005, 8:07 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Dimsie
You're probably right regarding true horror films, Rincewind, but I was thinking more of the action/tough guy type of movie, where life is depicted as cheap and expendable, and violence is accepted as a natural part of living. We don't need to be entertained by watching the sufferings of others, surely ?
If someone watches a violent movie and then goes out and shoots someone, they already had a few marbles missing in the first place and just needed a trigger. The trigger could have been anything.
Columbine was first blamed on The Matrix movie and then it passed to Marilyn Manson because they listened to his music. Those kids were screwed in the head and would have done what they did even if they liked The Carpenters.
I'm not trying to bust on you (promise
) but why do you feel it's not okay to portray violence as you feel it deems it an accepted action whereas you are okay with graphic sex scenes? In your view, surely that promotes sexual activity to underage kids?I've probably gone off track a little as I don't think you specified an age group but IMHO, violent movies being blamed for violent real life crime is only an excuse avoiding the root cause.
Jun 1st 2005, 8:10 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by Haggischomper
What about Eastenders then?
Jun 1st 2005, 8:20 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by rincewind
But to me it's just pure entertainment. Watching bullets flying around and great fight scenes in movies like The Matrix, Blade Trilogy, etc. To me, what happens on film, doesn't happen in the real world. The real world is much worse and I would disagree that it's caused by violent movies (not that you said that but that's the general angle taken).
If someone watches a violent movie and then goes out and shoots someone, they already had a few marbles missing in the first place and just needed a trigger. The trigger could have been anything.
Columbine was first blamed on The Matrix movie and then it passed to Marilyn Manson because they listened to his music. Those kids were screwed in the head and would have done what they did even if they liked The Carpenters.
I'm not trying to bust on you (promise ) but why do you feel it's not okay to portray violence as you feel it deems it an accepted action whereas you are okay with graphic sex scenes? In your view, surely that promotes sexual activity to underage kids?
I've probably gone off track a little as I don't think you specified an age group but IMHO, violent movies being blamed for violent real life crime is only an excuse avoiding the root cause.
If someone watches a violent movie and then goes out and shoots someone, they already had a few marbles missing in the first place and just needed a trigger. The trigger could have been anything.
Columbine was first blamed on The Matrix movie and then it passed to Marilyn Manson because they listened to his music. Those kids were screwed in the head and would have done what they did even if they liked The Carpenters.
I'm not trying to bust on you (promise
) but why do you feel it's not okay to portray violence as you feel it deems it an accepted action whereas you are okay with graphic sex scenes? In your view, surely that promotes sexual activity to underage kids?I've probably gone off track a little as I don't think you specified an age group but IMHO, violent movies being blamed for violent real life crime is only an excuse avoiding the root cause.
I saw a university study of violence on TV, some kids (<8yrs) were put in front of a cartoon showing violence against particular objects, the kids were then observed over the next few hours in a room with different objects (including the ones from the cartoon) and the kids only showed violence towards the objects from the cartoon.
With teenagers though, the problems are probably more psychological.
Jun 1st 2005, 9:29 pm
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Re: Whats wrong with the telly?
Originally Posted by mandpete
US TV will show blood, guts and violence but they always blur out nipples and bum cracks. 
My 8 year old noticed this on the last series of Survivor. 
My 8 year old noticed this on the last series of Survivor.
