dogloverus

and why are you so pro welfare state one of the reasons we move to the States is that more of our income is in our pockets as opposed to funding those who simply to put it bluntly cant be arsed.

SultanOfSwing

I'm also vehemently pro-birth control

No, here in the US your taxes go to bail out failing banks, so they can continue to peddle dodgy loans to people who will then foreclose on their homes, finding themselves destitute and without any kind of safety net because that's just evil and socialist, horror of horrors.

UK NI contributions don't go to 'fund those who can't be arsed', they go to provide the taxpayer the security that if they get sick, they have IB; if they lose their job they have JSA or IS, that there is the NHS so they don't bankrupt themselves because they don't have private coverage because they have the audacity to be genetically prone to high blood pressure et cetera ad infinitum.

Bloody hell.

Giantaxe

Nice non-sequiteur from attempting to defend your dodgy spending numbers!

I don't really consider myself "so pro welfare state". I do believe there should be a solid safety net to help those that truly need it. Otoh, I believe that welfare must not become an impediment to encouraging people to be in work. It's a difficult tradeoff to pull off, and both the US and UK fail in different respects.

Interesting that you feel able to state that "one of the reasons we move to the States is that more of our income is in our pockets as opposed to funding those who simply to put it bluntly cant be arsed.". Well, maybe that was true for you but it sure as heck wasn't for me. Generalize much?

Ethelred_the_Unready

Speak for yourself. I didn't move here for financial reasons. I'm no better off financially than I was in the UK, maybe worse off because I have health issues that I can't take care off. Stop assuming.

dogloverus

go back and live in england then you are in love with the place!!!!!!

Bob

No, not everyone here for that reason....and you're still paying the same taxes, to cover the same kind of stuff, but just not the ability to claim it yourself....

scrubbedexpat099

Bevan must be spinning in his grave.

So what happens when the gravy train comes to an end.

Bob

And then we get twaddlish answers like this and you wonder why people stop listening to you and put you in the troll camp.

Sally Redux

Any chance of you answering Giantaxe's question about your figures for the UK welfare budget?

Ethelred_the_Unready

Is that your rebuttal?

Epic fail.

Mummy in the foothills

Oh my we've gone back to infants school.

dogloverus

I glitched I admit I meant the welfare budget of approx 200 billion is far more than education, transport and defence combined,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...tion-fail.html

dogloverus

agree no one willing to answer that as long as they are getting all their needs catered for. then when its stopped people wonder why?!

Giantaxe

And you just glitched again by quoting the Daily Mail as a source of truth. Care to justify that £200b figure?

Ethelred_the_Unready

The Daily Mail..the purveyor of unbiased news.