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Old Mar 5th 2012, 10:52 pm
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Originally Posted by dogloverus
agree no one willing to answer that as long as they are getting all their needs catered for. then when its stopped people wonder why?!
The UK needs to do a much better job of targeting towards where the need is. Two simple examples: why provide prescriptions and bus passes free of charge to all retirees?
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
The UK needs to do a much better job of targeting towards where the need is. Two simple examples: why provide prescriptions and bus passes free of charge to all retirees?
They could argue that they paid millions in tax so are entitled to their scripts and bus passes in return. They could say that why should those who have contributed nothing get them?
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
The UK needs to do a much better job of targeting towards where the need is. Two simple examples: why provide prescriptions and bus passes free of charge to all retirees?
You are out of date, child support is the latest one.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...no-10-treasury

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Originally Posted by dogloverus
They could argue that they paid millions in tax so are entitled to their scripts and bus passes in return. They could say that why should those who have contributed nothing get them?
Sure "they" could. It doesn't mean it's good public policy to do so.
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Originally Posted by Boiler
You are out of date, child support is the latest one.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...no-10-treasury

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Sounds like a good idea to me although the threshold should probably be higher and a "cliff" needs to be avoided.
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Originally Posted by Boiler
You are out of date, child support is the latest one.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...no-10-treasury

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At one time the argument was that it was cheaper in terms of administrative costs to just pay it to everyone with children.
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
At one time the argument was that it was cheaper in terms of administrative costs to just pay it to everyone with children.
At one time it was a tax benefit rather than an allowance. It was changed back in the days when the tax collection system treated married women as second class citizens and taxed them as an appendage to their husbands - the concern was that husbands would pocket the tax savings and the child wouldn't benefit. Very sexist in both directions, imo.

So what I would do have a child exemption like they do in the US and phase it out for higher-income earners.
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
At one time it was a tax benefit rather than an allowance. It was changed back in the days when the tax collection system treated married women as second class citizens and taxed them as an appendage to their husbands - the concern was that husbands would pocket the tax savings and the child wouldn't benefit. Very sexist in both directions, imo.

So what I would do have a child exemption like they do in the US and phase it out for higher-income earners.
Out of interest, what sort of level would you set for removing it?

It sometimes seems like people earning around 45,000 quid get squeezed the most.
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
Out of interest, what sort of level would you set for removing it?

It sometimes seems like people earning around 45,000 quid get squeezed the most.
I wouldn't have a threshold. Instead I'd start phasing it out when one's income was above the start of the 50% tax band, i.e. £150,000 a year iirc.
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
I wouldn't have a threshold. Instead I'd start phasing it out when one's income was above the start of the 50% tax band, i.e. £150,000 a year iirc.
Yes that makes sense. The current UK govt proposal seems tough on families with one earner at the 42,745 level.
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Originally Posted by dogloverus
go back and live in england then you are in love with the place!!!!!!
Grow up.
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Originally Posted by Ethelred_the_Unready
When there aren't enough jobs to go around, what do you do?
In London, you can hardly walk down any street without seeing "help wanted" signs in restaurant and shop windows. So much for the "not enough jobs" myth.
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In London, you can hardly walk down any street without seeing "help wanted" signs in restaurant and shop windows. So much for the "not enough jobs" myth.
Which state is London in?
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Which state is London in?
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I'd guess either Maine or Ontario
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