ottotheboar

Unless you have something in writing from the ATF and then run it by your local sherrif do not buy a gun. To try to interprit ATF regulations does not work. As mentioned in previous thread fireams violations can result in deportation and a permanent ban from the USA

vcns

Thanks to all those who took time to respond.

Again the debate continues. But in summary, it appears that unless you have a hunting license an FFL wont touch you even after 90 days residence on non immigrant staus (business visa L1a).

One person mentioned a private purchase, I suspect they mean buy at the more relaxed gun shows, but I evetually want to have a concealed carry permit so I want to be totally legal.

ALBRUZ

Good Luck with your quest but please remember you can not get a CCP unless you are a US citizen or a LPR with a green card


Regards

Alan

Ray

no!! I mean outside any gun show where private seller await
or any of the ads in the newspapers everyday ..I sell a few guns privately every year ..but i do insist on a carry permit ..many seller dont

But i agree if you want a carry permit you need a green card first

Kar98

Gun shows are not more relaxed in applying these rulers. Dealers who are selling guns at gun shows are subject to the same licensing and sales rules as a brick and mortar store. Private sellers of their own personal firearms are not, and those you might find at gun shows. Personally, I'm staying away from shows these days, because they're just lousy with ATF agents trying to set up stings, illegals trying to get their mitts on on cheap garbage and sellers of beef jerky and sparkly baubles.
If you do find somebody who's willing to purchase a gun for you, it's an ATF agent setting you up for circumventing the restrictions in place, i.e. a straw purchase. And if it's not an ATF agent, then the other person will think that you are one trying to set him up.
You may however buy a gun from somebody who happens to own one.

Steve_

Doesn't matter, being in possession of a firearm is being in possession of a firearm. Look it up if you want, 18 USC 922(y). No difference under Federal or State law, if you acquire from a dealer as a non-immigrant alien or import one as a non-immigrant alien, you're still a non-immigrant alien in possession of a firearm. The only difference is you fill in a Form 6NIA to import, a Form 4473 to acquire.

Used to live in Florida. I have actually done this, not talking off the top of my head.

Hence my comment that the OP should get it in writing from FDLE if he's having a major problem finding a dealer who will sell him a gun.

Steve_

Contrary to what other people may be posting, it's not a debate, read the instructions for form 4473 that I posted and also Chapter 790 F.S.

So just get one, it can be a licence from any State. It's not hard.

Private transaction with a resident of Florida still means you must have been resident for 90 days and have a hunting licence. The hunting licence requirement is a Federal law, ANY non-immigrant alien in the United States basically must have one to touch ANY firearm, period. Some rental ranges will ask to see it, some will not, but you as the NIA commit the offence if you don't have one. The only other common exception is if you have a valid match entry form for an organized target shooting competition (which is meaningless if you reside in the US, that's basically for short-term visitors only) so the 4473 doesn't mention it. 18 USC 922(y)(2)(A), look it up. There was a drafting error when they wrote it which mentions you must have a visa, the regulations clarify that "visa" means any alien who entered in a non-immigrant category.

You CANNOT get a carry permit unless you are a citizen or LPR, Ch. 790.06 F.S. I suspect this is where the confusion is coming in with the dealers you have spoken to.

Like I keep saying, get it in writing from FDLE or the AG's office if you must.