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Old Jul 15th 2011, 10:32 am
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I am a big gun fan (mostly range shooting not hunting) Does anyone know the difinative answer on non green card holder purchasing their own firearms?

I believe that ATF say you only need to be resident in the state for 90 days before acquiring a firearm, but gun shop owners say you need a green card?

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Old Jul 15th 2011, 4:27 pm
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I would think there is a distinction between handguns, and other types of firearm. In my state a GC holder can have all but handguns.
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Most gun shop owners know the law backwards. What is the State law. Look it up or ask your local Sheriffs Office.
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No can do - in FL at least. Must have a green card, even for a shot-gun.
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I am a big gun fan (mostly range shooting not hunting) Does anyone know the difinative answer on non green card holder purchasing their own firearms?

I believe that ATF say you only need to be resident in the state for 90 days before acquiring a firearm, but gun shop owners say you need a green card?

Thoughts?
What is your status ...you can always buy privately
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You can certainly get a handgun with a GC where I am.

I thought that was the norm.
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It varies from state to state. Even from county to county.
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It varies from state to state. Even from county to county.
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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/noni...ant-possession
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I am a big gun fan (mostly range shooting not hunting) Does anyone know the difinative answer on non green card holder purchasing their own firearms?

I believe that ATF say you only need to be resident in the state for 90 days before acquiring a firearm, but gun shop owners say you need a green card?

Thoughts?
You can only purchase a modern firearm in Florida if you have a greencard, go through a FFL and do a background check to make sure you are not a felon

However you can buy a blackpowder weapon. ie Pieta Remington 1858 or Pieta Colt 1851 or some other similiar blackpowder weapon as they are not considered fire arms in Florida.
You can then buy what is called a conversion cylinder and remove the black powder cylinder from the revolver. The conversion cylinder is then fitted and lets you use long colt 45 cartridges in the revolver. The conversion cylinders just drop straight in without any modification at all. It takes approx 20 seconds to change out the cylinders in my Pietta 1858s

You can have the revolver and conversion cylinder and ammunition shipped to your door as not considered a firearm. When I got my first one Fedex left the revolver,conversion cylinder and 500 rounds of ammunition sat in the doorway as I was out when it was deliverd. You have just got to love America

Look at www.Midwayusa.com under black powder weapons and also conversion cylinders.

I own three black powder revolvers fitted with conversion cylinders and they are really nice weapons.They are not toys and are deadly just ask Wild Bill or any of the other famous cowboys from the 1850s

Mind you I also have a lot of other firearms and prefer my AR15 M4 Lancaster AK47, Glock26 and other modern weapons better, but it is amazing how much damage a colt 45 bullet from a Remington 1858 can do and they are fun and accurate to shot at the range


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I am a big gun fan (mostly range shooting not hunting) Does anyone know the difinative answer on non green card holder purchasing their own firearms?

I believe that ATF say you only need to be resident in the state for 90 days before acquiring a firearm, but gun shop owners say you need a green card?

Thoughts?
Yes I do, you need a hunting licence issued by any State (Florida licences are quite expensive) and you must have been a resident of the State where the acquisition is made for at least 90 days, which basically means you need a DL or State ID card and something else to show you've been there for at least 90 days, such as utility bills.

Any dealer who tells you otherwise has never read the instructions on the 4473. http://www.thundertek.net/documents/4473.pdf

Supposedly you can get a waiver from the DoJ in lieu of a hunting licence but forget it, they are impossible to get.

You also need a hunting licence in order to borrow a firearm at a rental range, some ranges ask, some don't, but the burden is on you.

In Florida you must be a US citizen or LPR to get a concealed weapon permit, but not to buy a gun. Ch. 790 F.S. Florida has a waiting period for handguns, three or five business days, depending on county laws and you must meet the federal requirements as well, such as being at least 21 to buy a handgun.

The 90 day requirement rules out anyone on the VWP buying a gun, also hard in FL to get State ID, they're pretty tough on implementing Real ID.
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No can do - in FL at least. Must have a green card, even for a shot-gun.
Nothing in Chapter 790 I can see that says that, and if it were true, it would be illegal for example to hold an international shooting competition in Florida, which it isn't. There are States that have various restrictions on aliens possessing or acquiring firearms, Florida isn't one of them other than the change they made a few years ago to limit carry permits to US citizens and LPRs.

I suggest the OP contact FDLE and get it in writing if dealers aren't agreeing.
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Nothing in Chapter 790 I can see that says that, and if it were true, it would be illegal for example to hold an international shooting competition in Florida, which it isn't. There are States that have various restrictions on aliens possessing or acquiring firearms, Florida isn't one of them other than the change they made a few years ago to limit carry permits to US citizens and LPRs.

I suggest the OP contact FDLE and get it in writing if dealers aren't agreeing.
Those attending international shooting competitions bring their weapons with them.
Come down here and put it to the test. No gun dealer that I've had any interaction with will sell a handgun or shot gun to anyone other than a USC or LPR. I don't doubt your evidence and statutes - but they don't work in practice and it's the dealer who ultimately decides who he is going to do business with.
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Those attending international shooting competitions bring their weapons with them.
Come down here and put it to the test. No gun dealer that I've had any interaction with will sell a handgun or shot gun to anyone other than a USC or LPR. I don't doubt your evidence and statutes - but they don't work in practice and it's the dealer who ultimately decides who he is going to do business with.
I totally agree as when I first became a LPR and had the immigrant visa and stamp in my passport the gun shop owners would not let me purchase a firearm even though it was stated on my visa in my passport that once endorsed the visa acted as a tempoary greencard for a period of 12 months.Also the visa number is exactly the same as the number that is put on your green card but there was no way they would accept it

I have purchased approx 12 firearms from sellers in Florida and they will not even look at you if you dont have a greencard. I once even got refused on the background check for no apparent reason which took 4 months to sort out with the Florida FDLE but that is another story altogether

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