Culture shocks?
Nov 25th 2008, 11:38 am
#466
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Re: Culture shocks?
I understand you, lots of people are just the same, they'll eat it but don't like the idea of killing something. No problem there. Some people give no thought on how their meat arrives on the shelf of the supermarket, or how it's killed at the slaughterhouse, and some don't care to know. 
Agreed 100% too, the importance of a clean kill can't be overstated enough for me. It was bred into me from the startwhen I was growing up shooting, if you don't think you'll kill it in one shot, then don't even try.
Agreed 100% too, the importance of a clean kill can't be overstated enough for me. It was bred into me from the startwhen I was growing up shooting, if you don't think you'll kill it in one shot, then don't even try.
I have no problem at all with the idea of killing something. In fact, I actually think if I'm willing to eat it, I should be willing to kill it. Unfortunately, I'm a wimp there.
But, as I said, I'm not good enough for a clean kill - so there I do have some justification.
Odd actually - I'm willing to eat meat, I accept the animals have to die - but to look at THAT particular animal, and perhaps have it look back at me... I just can't. My weakness. Contradiction I guess - I do love animals.
Nov 25th 2008, 11:44 am
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Re: Culture shocks?
Thanks
I have no problem at all with the idea of killing something. In fact, I actually think if I'm willing to eat it, I should be willing to kill it. Unfortunately, I'm a wimp there.
But, as I said, I'm not good enough for a clean kill - so there I do have some justification.
Odd actually - I'm willing to eat meat, I accept the animals have to die - but to look at THAT particular animal, and perhaps have it look back at me... I just can't. My weakness. Contradiction I guess - I do love animals.
I have no problem at all with the idea of killing something. In fact, I actually think if I'm willing to eat it, I should be willing to kill it. Unfortunately, I'm a wimp there.
But, as I said, I'm not good enough for a clean kill - so there I do have some justification.
Odd actually - I'm willing to eat meat, I accept the animals have to die - but to look at THAT particular animal, and perhaps have it look back at me... I just can't. My weakness. Contradiction I guess - I do love animals.
No, not a wimp, not everyone see's the necessity of it. I know my other half wouldn't pull a trigger, but quite happily eats meat.
I love animals too, weird isn't it? I see the wild ones that I'd hunt as being different, they're meat.
I hate to see someone's cat or dog hit on the road, and even worse the dogs that people deliberately shoot or whack over the head with a hammer and dump out of a truck on the side of the road... sickens me that someone would do that just because they get tired of the animal. I see that too often down here.
Nov 25th 2008, 11:48 am
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Re: Culture shocks?
No, not a wimp, not everyone see's the necessity of it. I know my other half wouldn't pull a trigger, but quite happily eats meat.
I love animals too, weird isn't it? I see the wild ones that I'd hunt as being different, they're meat.
I hate to see someone's cat or dog hit on the road, and even worse the dogs that people deliberately shoot or whack over the head with a hammer and dump out of a truck on the side of the road... sickens me that someone would do that just because they get tired of the animal. I see that too often down here.
I love animals too, weird isn't it? I see the wild ones that I'd hunt as being different, they're meat.
I hate to see someone's cat or dog hit on the road, and even worse the dogs that people deliberately shoot or whack over the head with a hammer and dump out of a truck on the side of the road... sickens me that someone would do that just because they get tired of the animal. I see that too often down here.
Yes, there is a difference between wild animals and pets that trust us. And horrible when that trust is betrayed.
I've hugged a pet deer though... hard for me to separate.
Interestingly, I didn't have too much sympathy for the beef cows in Arizona - perhaps because they were determined to trample me flat.
I am, however, so afraid of making something suffer. I would not forgive myself.
Nov 25th 2008, 11:52 am
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Re: Culture shocks?
Thanks for understanding
Yes, there is a difference between wild animals and pets that trust us. And horrible when that trust is betrayed.
I've hugged a pet deer though... hard for me to separate.
Interestingly, I didn't have too much sympathy for the beef cows in Arizona - perhaps because they were determined to trample me flat.
I am, however, so afraid of making something suffer. I would not forgive myself.
Yes, there is a difference between wild animals and pets that trust us. And horrible when that trust is betrayed.
I've hugged a pet deer though... hard for me to separate.
Interestingly, I didn't have too much sympathy for the beef cows in Arizona - perhaps because they were determined to trample me flat.
I am, however, so afraid of making something suffer. I would not forgive myself.
Nite all
Nov 25th 2008, 11:54 am
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Re: Culture shocks?
How could I possibly eat Beouf Bourignon without wine?But... that sounds a bit rambling in itself - deserted wife? Huh? (ah well, it's ok - if it's your bedtime it's not too early for you to hit the wine
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Nov 25th 2008, 11:55 am
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Re: Culture shocks?
Thanks for understanding
Yes, there is a difference between wild animals and pets that trust us. And horrible when that trust is betrayed.
I've hugged a pet deer though... hard for me to separate.
Interestingly, I didn't have too much sympathy for the beef cows in Arizona - perhaps because they were determined to trample me flat.
I am, however, so afraid of making something suffer. I would not forgive myself.
Yes, there is a difference between wild animals and pets that trust us. And horrible when that trust is betrayed.
I've hugged a pet deer though... hard for me to separate.
Interestingly, I didn't have too much sympathy for the beef cows in Arizona - perhaps because they were determined to trample me flat.
I am, however, so afraid of making something suffer. I would not forgive myself.
I understand perfectly.
I've seen pet deer, and we even have deer down the street from us that I love to watch, I'd never ever want to see them out of their natural habitat there they're too beautiful just to see walking around in the open property near the people's house.
Yeah cattle are just meat, arent they? A lot of people love their cows though, and a lot have names. Different from the steers or bulls.
You'll never have to make anything suffer, so no need to worry I'd say
Time to go and eat some of that meat now... dinner time
Nov 25th 2008, 4:02 pm
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Re: Culture shocks?
One of my local grocery stores has a meat counter that sells USDA Choice, USDA Prime, and Aged USDA Prime - the aged being hung for some time in their 'lockers' in the back. I seem to recall a 'Choice' Ribeye was about $10/lb, the 'Prime' was about $15, and the 'Aged Prime' was about $22 or so (don't quote me on prices, it was the relative difference that caught my eye!). I remember treating myself to an Aged Prime Ribeye, and it was out of this world. The 'aged' (hung) version was worth every penny.
Nov 26th 2008, 3:23 am
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Re: Culture shocks?
You ate your home made beouf bourignon and didn't invite me? Mannnn I'm disappointed!
Nov 26th 2008, 3:24 am
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Nov 26th 2008, 4:41 am
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Nov 26th 2008, 5:09 am
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Nov 27th 2008, 11:41 am
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Re: Culture shocks?
I hope you have found improvements since you first arrived!
How far outside of Portland are you? When I first came to the US, even though my job was in Palo Alto, I lived in the city of San Francisco (40 miles away) because I wanted to live in a place with better public transit, and a more liberal atmosphere. I was always under the impression that Portland is a liberal city (you won't hear much talk about religion there). The suburbs in the US are always going to be more conservative, and have poorer public transit.
Regarding supermarkets - everywhere in the country has crap supermarkets; but most affluent areas also have 'high-end' supermarkets - usually smaller chains, or even independently run (we have three 'high end' stores in our town, in addition to several Safeways, Albertsons, etc). Is your area really devoid of ANY better quality stores? Surely you have a WHOLE FOODS Market? You can criticize them on their price, but - they sure do have a great selection of produce!
How far outside of Portland are you? When I first came to the US, even though my job was in Palo Alto, I lived in the city of San Francisco (40 miles away) because I wanted to live in a place with better public transit, and a more liberal atmosphere. I was always under the impression that Portland is a liberal city (you won't hear much talk about religion there). The suburbs in the US are always going to be more conservative, and have poorer public transit.
Regarding supermarkets - everywhere in the country has crap supermarkets; but most affluent areas also have 'high-end' supermarkets - usually smaller chains, or even independently run (we have three 'high end' stores in our town, in addition to several Safeways, Albertsons, etc). Is your area really devoid of ANY better quality stores? Surely you have a WHOLE FOODS Market? You can criticize them on their price, but - they sure do have a great selection of produce!
Thank you for all the positive replies to my post, and sorry for my delay in getting back. I have since discovered Whole Foods (wow - but what a cost?) - and New Seasons (not too bad). plus a couple of Indian curry places which helps.
I remember Publix in Naples, FL when I was on holiday there many years ago and that is what I expected all Supermanrkets to be like - reality check??
I love the Oregon countryside but wonder if CA or FL would not have been better for us to settle. My husband lived in South California for a while as a teenager and did not like it much which is why we never moved there originally.
Anyway - no getting over missing the supermarkets from home, pubs and of course family and friends- but am trying to see good things about being over here now.