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There are NO medical benefits.

It is purely a religious and/or strange custom, in the same way female genital mutilation is practised by some African tribes.

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My life already

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I wonder if the high rates of circumcision have anything to do with the higher per capita numbers of serial killers in the US? Could there be a link between taking a baby mutilating and desensitizing it as soon as it is born and creating more sociopaths/psychopaths. Food for thought?

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I'm doing speed reads of these threads during my coffee breaks, (God, I thought I had conquered all my addictions), not the coffee, but BE, when I see this most vilest of names, Cindy Sheehan, even worse than Celine Dione, I hear her 'groupies' pushed the cops to arrest her, paid her fine, told her to smile for the cameras, which she did, wet her pants with all the excitement, then she begged the Police to arrest her often, but only when the cameras were around.

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and like all good siblings are they encouraged to share? :D

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And most important. No foreskin means no zeppelin impressions in the Pub loo.

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I was not talking about yours

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and no competions to see how many 20 pence pieces you can get underneath it.. :eek:
note to self: maybe that was just my school..

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I heard about some kid at my primary school who had to go to the hospital to have a stone removed.....

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Maybe that's why 85% (or whatever the statistic was) of American boys have had the chop: they just can't be trusted with foreskin :D

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yes it obviously starts at a very young age this fascination men have with putting things in places they shouldn't put things in.. :eek:

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you know I heard the Army introduced it to discourage masturbation....wonder if there's any truth in it?....also to bring up a post of lions.....no foreskin = less masturbation?= crazy serial killers? :confused:


food for thought...but hold the cheese :p :D

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what've people got against wanking?

I think it's ace.

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I agree ..it seems to be a fond memory .. ..I think ..

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Er yeah. I kinda spotted that. Hence the quote in ref to the RID part of his name and the fact he's been circumcised.. But now i've explained it it kind loses the punch so never mind.

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Maybe you're confusing Circumcision with the taking of Bromide? I hope the army docs didnt also make that same potentially painful mistake. :scared:

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Not strictly speaking true. Many studies have shown medical benefits. However, the fact is that the infections etc which are supposedly reduced by circumcision are pretty rare to begin with (UTIs in small boys, penile cancer etc etc).

Besides which, it seems to me like shoehorning the facts to fit (i.e. circumcision has been around for ages, they are only now doing studies which show medical benefits and are trying to use that as a justification for the act) - it certainly didn't start off for medical reasons. I remember reading somewhere that the origins of male circumcision may be in child sacrifice... did anyone else read the same thing? :eek:

We stopped routinely docking puppy dog tails because it was seen as inhumane and cruel, despite the fact that pro- tail dockers were touting medical reasons (docked tails don't get caught, broken or gnawed on by rats blah blah). Do you think we'll ever manage to get around to making the same decision for human babies?

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and it's free too!!! :D

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When in doubt, Wiki it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...e_circumcision

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why worry ? his penis is huge ... :D

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Oh no..... not the circ wars.....

This is one of the most controversial subjects on the Internet. Because it involves the parents' religious and "medical" beliefs, and that decision is more or less permanently visited upon their infant son, it brings everyone out of the woodwork. Toss in the fact that it also affects the boy's future sex life and locker room talk, and ..... BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

I am so glad to not have had to make this decision.

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The one issue that is not mentioned in here is that the female partners of uncircumcised males who have HPV (genital warts, more common than you think) are more likely to develop the disease. HPV is by far the leading cause of cervical cancer, which can kill any woman who is old enough to be sexually active; it's why there are Pap smears and if those are misread by an overworked or lazy laboratory, women can and have died.

This is the ONLY reason I believe circ has an edge (ouch) on uncirc in terms of medicine. Of course, the male isn't promiscuous, then it isn't an issue.

I personally would not circ and leave it up to my son. Circing at an older age is not nearly as painful as some would have you believe. From the guys I know who have had it done, it sucks, but.... so does childbirth. If the boy wants to look like everyone else, he'll do it, or if more medical research turns up links to support it, etc.

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Erm, female genital mutilation is a much much more severe modification that leads to a life of constant pain and extremely high risks of death in childbirth, not to mention that the clitoris is removed, meaning No Orgasm Ever. That's a very very clear case of medical risk being higher *with* the "circumcision" than without. It is an atrocity which should be outlawed -- and which is carried out when a girl nears puberty, meaning she has every memory of being painfully violated.

There are extremely, extremely slight medical benefits to being circ'd but not overwhelmingly so. I say leave it up to the boy when he's older. Other than that, it is a religious issue. Just as female genital mutilation is outlawed in some countries, some people wish to outlaw non-medically-necessary male circumcision. I would not go that far, but I would not circ a son.

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I would. I would also outlaw parents giving their kids stupidly inane and obviously ridiculous names which can lead to a life of torment and riducule for the poor child.

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yeah I don't think you can really compare female v's male circumcision.....it's like comparing having your tubes tied to having a vasectomy :rolleyes:

nowadays women can actually choose to get their pussy flaps trimmed :eek: , I saw on the t.v this doctor who does it for women who are unhappy with the size of their labia.....god damn it....do we have to be unhappy..with EVERY aspect of our bodies?? :rolleyes: :eek:

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Thats.....sick.

I love my flab. It helps keep me warm and nourished while I sit almost motionless for days - only moving the odd finger - while typing on internet forums. Im almost like a bear in hibernation. If I had liposuction then id be dead of malnutrition or hypothermia in a week. My wife has to prod my belly every so often just to make sure im still going.

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No! Not at all!

If you prefer to simply set up a standing order for $1000/month to your local plastic surgeon, they'll be happy to let you keep all your body's little imperfections :D

Alternatively you may commit in writing to consuming vast quantities of junk food, become morbidly obese and then fund the surgeons and drug companies through liposuction and diabetes drugs.

Otherwise, yes, I'm afraid you are required to be unhappy with your body. Anything else would simply be un-American, and possibly even anti-American.

:D :D

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I think you are right.........the girl I saw having the surgery was gorgeous too......I mean how big were these labia??......she was walking normally :p ......I wanted to see dammit :mad:

:D

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Seemingly circumcision avoids that :D

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Well, son of DaveC was born on Monday morning. I can exclusively reveal that he's not circumcised!:D

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CONGRATULATIONS!!! so come on we need more info... name, weight etc (and before anyone asks... of the baby :p)

Ash :)

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I also have a big issue with routine episiotomies... my OB-GYN tried every which way in to convincing me into having one and when I point blank refused she basically said on your own head be it... I ended up needing 6 stitches and was completely healed in less than 2 weeks... and I will not be having one with my next baby either.

Ash :)

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Thanks Ash! He's Matthew Zander, he weighed 6lbs 11 oz and was 20-1/4" long. He's a little guy (except around the region of this thread's subject matter ;)) but he is 2 weeks early. We brought him home today and so far our 21 month old daughter loves him. Waiting for the novelty to wear off sometime tomorrow.......

Congratulations on your pregnancy! When do you go for the sono to find out what you're having - do you want to know in advance?

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I was thinking I remembered you having a baby around the same time as I did with my first.

Well I go my ultrasound in about a month but I am not going to find out... I like surpises! if we have a boy we are also calling him Matthew (great minds think alike) I also really like the name Katie for a girl but everyone here prounces it Kadie :(

Enjoy your little one ... and hey we want pics too... yeah I know I am demanding :p :p :p but you know how us women get with babies.

Ash :)

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:rolleyes:

Go live in Sweden or France, then.

Anyone can change their name. I'd changed mine before I was 18 (but changed it back -- long story). Who gets to decide ridiculous names? Angry White Pyjamas seems pretty stupidly inane and obviously ridiculous, but you chose it to identify yourself in this forum.

If you really want to discuss a looming health crisis in the UK and the US, it's diseases that have vaccines but parents are choosing not to vaccinate for fear of side effects. Now that discussion's even bigger than the circ debate. Should parents have the choice to NOT have their children vaccinated?

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I heard of hospitals at one time giving episiotomies after the birth just because it was policy that everyone got one! Well done for standing up for your rights. :)

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Yes

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Noo too cold by far and too many French people.

Yes, yes it does...snowbunny. However its not my legal or given name and I didnt have to go to school called it. I think it would be pretty stupid to use my real name (which is far more mundane) on an internet forum no?

However, the point I was making was about not making life more difficult for our kids by being irresponsible and "twee" parents.

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So I'm stupid ... You and I are going to fall out very quickly

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Well - it is a very personal choice - most 1st world countries had (at some point in time) a blanket policy of encouraging it - in some cases, this policy is reversed.
From a medical point of view, opinions are divided largely down the middle - there are studies showing increased incidence of urinary tract infections (UTIs) in boys under the age of 2, and there are studies that show that such increase is so marginal as to be insigificant. Others talk about penile cancer, others refute it. Some talk about reduced vulnerability to STDs, others refute it or say that the risk only applies to certain sociological groups of people -

Check out the New England medical Journal or the BMJ if you want a deep dive on this. Whatever you find there, will likely re-inforce your viewpont.

From a religious point of view, many groups - and not only Jewish!! - have found good practical reasons to practice the cut over the millenia. If you are approaching it from a purely practical point of view, it is prudent to examine the reasons and decide for yourself.

I don't use words like "mutilate" - loaded words usually cloud the issues. The biggest determinant (I think) of whether a boy gets done is usually whether the dad is done and had any bad repercussions/experiences, etc from it.

I am done, and both of my boys are done. Ontario used to do it routinely, but the practice was stopped a few years back. In the hospital where the boys were born, I found a Jewish consultant paediatrician who did the cut, and I paid the hospital a standard OHIP fee of $140 - (about 60 quid). The boys slept through the 5 minutes while it was done..

Good luck in your choice, whatever it happens to be.

Cheers, Derryck.