Buying a gun when I am a permanent resident.
Dec 4th 2008, 8:09 pm
#241
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Re: Buying a gun when I am a permanent resident.
Oddly enough, I had a very interesting convo this evening about semi-passive RFID devices. Much longer range, but problems with battery life. Only solution I can see is regular pulsing with RF for inductive charging.
Your Farady cage argument remains sound, however.
Plus, guns are mostly metal, which would block RF. The only way around that would be to have the chip so exposed that removal or inactivation would be easy.
Dec 4th 2008, 8:43 pm
#242
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Re: Buying a gun when I am a permanent resident.
Bill S - I just want to say, your posts on this topic are well thought out and reasoned. Discussing this topic with you is a worthwhile exercise!
Thanks.
A, B) who would have thought we'd have exploding airbags, anti-lock brakes, etc in our cars, say, 50 years ago ... I believe technology could be applied to make these things a reality. Hell, we can trace a $4 bag of lettuce to it's manufacturing plant in Mexico these days - who would have thought that was possible 50 years ago?
Projectiles are linked to particular guns by looking at rifling grooves on the bullet and various marks on the cartrige case (left by the extractor, firing pin, chamber and bolt face). Any of these parts can be changed, or altered with hand tools. Ever heard the joke about the guy selling George Washington's axe? Sure, it has a new handle, and he's changed the blade twice, but it's the same ax George used.
There's no possible way to uniquely trace ammunition. Billions of rounds are sold in the US every year. There's no way to put a 12-digit serial number on a lead bullet such that the number is readable after it's hit a target. Even if this were possible, how would you account for the vast amount of extant ammunition. Lots of WWII surplus around, and it's perfectly good.
C) that's one of the loopholes today (that and, 'gun show' sales). This should absolutely be controlled.
I can't see how casual transfers could ever be effectively "controlled".
D) But your toolbox is not designed to be a deadly weapon and you can reasonably leave it in your toolshed. If you could prove you took appropriate measures to protect your guns, you would be ok. And of course, accurately account for what was stolen!
Umm... you've shifted the goalposts. You simply said the last buyer would be responsible for future acts. Suppose someone stole one of my kitchen knives and stabbed someone. Am I responsible? I knew that knife was designed to cut flesh. Should I have kept it in a locked case?
But if we implemented something robust today, and TRACKED everything going forward, we'd know which guns were in the hands of criminals at least; they were initially sold legally and registered, then 'somehow' got into the hands of crooks. If your guns were stolen, then they know which guns are in the wrong hands. Again, it could take a hundred years to get where we need to be, but - if we start thinking about it now, maybe we will get there someday.
Thanks.
A, B) who would have thought we'd have exploding airbags, anti-lock brakes, etc in our cars, say, 50 years ago ... I believe technology could be applied to make these things a reality. Hell, we can trace a $4 bag of lettuce to it's manufacturing plant in Mexico these days - who would have thought that was possible 50 years ago?
Projectiles are linked to particular guns by looking at rifling grooves on the bullet and various marks on the cartrige case (left by the extractor, firing pin, chamber and bolt face). Any of these parts can be changed, or altered with hand tools. Ever heard the joke about the guy selling George Washington's axe? Sure, it has a new handle, and he's changed the blade twice, but it's the same ax George used.
There's no possible way to uniquely trace ammunition. Billions of rounds are sold in the US every year. There's no way to put a 12-digit serial number on a lead bullet such that the number is readable after it's hit a target. Even if this were possible, how would you account for the vast amount of extant ammunition. Lots of WWII surplus around, and it's perfectly good.
C) that's one of the loopholes today (that and, 'gun show' sales). This should absolutely be controlled.
I can't see how casual transfers could ever be effectively "controlled".
D) But your toolbox is not designed to be a deadly weapon and you can reasonably leave it in your toolshed. If you could prove you took appropriate measures to protect your guns, you would be ok. And of course, accurately account for what was stolen!
Umm... you've shifted the goalposts. You simply said the last buyer would be responsible for future acts. Suppose someone stole one of my kitchen knives and stabbed someone. Am I responsible? I knew that knife was designed to cut flesh. Should I have kept it in a locked case?
But if we implemented something robust today, and TRACKED everything going forward, we'd know which guns were in the hands of criminals at least; they were initially sold legally and registered, then 'somehow' got into the hands of crooks. If your guns were stolen, then they know which guns are in the wrong hands. Again, it could take a hundred years to get where we need to be, but - if we start thinking about it now, maybe we will get there someday.
Dec 4th 2008, 8:52 pm
#243
Peace onion
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Re: Buying a gun when I am a permanent resident.
-Snicker- A back-handed put down. It's not worth arguing with you when you wont answer direct questions. Answering a question with a question makes debating pointless.
Dec 4th 2008, 8:54 pm
#244
WTF?
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Re: Buying a gun when I am a permanent resident.
This raises an important point. Do really Zombies eat people? Because I reckon they can't eat people otherwise we'd never have new Zombies.
Dec 4th 2008, 9:06 pm
#247
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Re: Buying a gun when I am a permanent resident.
Then, for grins, I compared San Francisco's crime rate to St Louis, Missouri (trying to pick a nice gun-owning, Republican state for comparison, and pick two major cities for comparison since crime rates are higher in major cities). See below. SF is blue, St. Louis is yellow. Source:
http://sanfrancisco.areaconnect.com/...=Oakland&s2=CA
And I would still like to know what the link you referred to about the supposed firearm death rates in the different states indicates about the likelihood of being murdered in those states by firearm or otherwise.
Dec 4th 2008, 9:12 pm
#249
Peace onion
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Re: Buying a gun when I am a permanent resident.
We're calling you out Steerpike.
For the love of all that is holy, please answer this one simple question:
What does this inspection you talk about actually mean?
How would an inspection make anything safer?
Please, just answer that, and I'll never post in another gun thread again.
For the love of all that is holy, please answer this one simple question:
What does this inspection you talk about actually mean?
How would an inspection make anything safer?
Please, just answer that, and I'll never post in another gun thread again.
Dec 4th 2008, 9:12 pm
#250
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Dec 4th 2008, 9:14 pm
#252
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Dec 4th 2008, 9:15 pm
#253
WTF?
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Re: Buying a gun when I am a permanent resident.
Dec 4th 2008, 9:16 pm
#254
Peace onion
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Re: Buying a gun when I am a permanent resident.
No. I severed her leg at the shoulder before the T-virus could spread to the rest of her body.
Dec 4th 2008, 9:17 pm
#255
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