Should I apply for an Esta or a Visa
Feb 4th 2020, 8:08 pm
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Re: Should I apply for an Esta or a Visa
Visa it is. I've given myself plenty of time, so it's better to be safe than sorry. Thank you to everyone who has had an input, it really has helped in making my final decision.
Feb 4th 2020, 9:09 pm
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Re: Should I apply for an Esta or a Visa
.... But moving on from that....I'm intrigued how TWOC is not the same thing as theft? Isn't taking anything without the owner's consent the very definition of theft?
NAL but given that being a passenger is effectively the same as TWOC, which to me sounds a lot like theft. ....
NAL but given that being a passenger is effectively the same as TWOC, which to me sounds a lot like theft. ....
Feb 4th 2020, 10:10 pm
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Re: Should I apply for an Esta or a Visa
Theft is the intention to deprive someone permanently of something and I believe that the TWOC offence was created to cover the event of the police stopping someone in a "stolen" vehicle and the perp using "but it wasn't theft, I was going to take it back!" as a defence.
A very detailed explanation found in this link
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidanc...t-act-offences
Feb 4th 2020, 10:16 pm
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Re: Should I apply for an Esta or a Visa
Been a long time but I seem to recollect that goes back to the Theft Act 1968 which specified permanently depriving the owner, but that was UK legislation, quite what the technicality is in the US I do not know.
