Rumour of driver sponsorship oz...is it true?
Apr 13th 2008, 2:16 pm
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Re: Rumour of driver sponsorship oz...is it true?
Let me state 100% from an experienced driver in australia not in the UK... there will not be any sponsorship as the labour government & us drivers wont allow it & dont want,what you are getting from me is the on road opinion,there is no driver shortage only a shortage of companies willing to pay top dollar for us top drivers,the ATA is a political lobby group for the big transport companies who want overseas drivers so they can pay the minimum wage,let me assure you this,the industry will chew you up & spit you out...tb
here is the no 1 transport website in australia,go visit & look around...see what the feeling is about overseas drivers...
http://www.ozprodrivers.com.au/home.php
here is the no 1 transport website in australia,go visit & look around...see what the feeling is about overseas drivers...
http://www.ozprodrivers.com.au/home.php
You and the Government won't allow foreign driver sponsorship, firstly who elected you in charge and the fact is THERE IS AT THIS MOMENT sponsorship allowed for foreign drivers and before you deny it I've got official government documentation to back up what I say not just truckstop heresay.
If there's no shortage of "top drivers" why is the Courier Mail overflowing with Driver vacancies every Saturday. Unfortunately or fortunately for us all I think you'll find that there's a Worldwide shortage of Truck Drivers.
Why is it you think you are able to do the job but the industry will chew up & spit out anybody else. You are not really qualified to pass judgment on the skills of European drivers when you know so little about their jobs. Reference another of your posts asking what trucks they run in Europe-UK.
What seems to of happened in the UK with all the East Europeans working for nothing is, yes it doesn't do much for wages but if you are any good there are still decent jobs out there. So if your as good as you say you are then you've got no worries!
I'm sure you'll come back with how good Aussie drivers are compared to the rest of the world but it only ends up showing your own insecurities.
One last thing that puzzles me is if you don't want and won't allow foreign drivers to come to Oz why are you posting in a forum dedicated to drivers who want to emmigrate, is it to warn everyone off or else?
Alan
Apr 14th 2008, 3:37 am
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Re: Rumour of driver sponsorship oz...is it true?
Easy Tiger, lets take your points one at a time
You and the Government won't allow foreign driver sponsorship, firstly who elected you in charge and the fact is THERE IS AT THIS MOMENT sponsorship allowed for foreign drivers and before you deny it I've got official government documentation to back up what I say not just truckstop heresay.
If there's no shortage of "top drivers" why is the Courier Mail overflowing with Driver vacancies every Saturday. Unfortunately or fortunately for us all I think you'll find that there's a Worldwide shortage of Truck Drivers.
Why is it you think you are able to do the job but the industry will chew up & spit out anybody else. You are not really qualified to pass judgment on the skills of European drivers when you know so little about their jobs. Reference another of your posts asking what trucks they run in Europe-UK.
What seems to of happened in the UK with all the East Europeans working for nothing is, yes it doesn't do much for wages but if you are any good there are still decent jobs out there. So if your as good as you say you are then you've got no worries!
I'm sure you'll come back with how good Aussie drivers are compared to the rest of the world but it only ends up showing your own insecurities.
One last thing that puzzles me is if you don't want and won't allow foreign drivers to come to Oz why are you posting in a forum dedicated to drivers who want to emmigrate, is it to warn everyone off or else?
Alan
You and the Government won't allow foreign driver sponsorship, firstly who elected you in charge and the fact is THERE IS AT THIS MOMENT sponsorship allowed for foreign drivers and before you deny it I've got official government documentation to back up what I say not just truckstop heresay.
If there's no shortage of "top drivers" why is the Courier Mail overflowing with Driver vacancies every Saturday. Unfortunately or fortunately for us all I think you'll find that there's a Worldwide shortage of Truck Drivers.
Why is it you think you are able to do the job but the industry will chew up & spit out anybody else. You are not really qualified to pass judgment on the skills of European drivers when you know so little about their jobs. Reference another of your posts asking what trucks they run in Europe-UK.
What seems to of happened in the UK with all the East Europeans working for nothing is, yes it doesn't do much for wages but if you are any good there are still decent jobs out there. So if your as good as you say you are then you've got no worries!
I'm sure you'll come back with how good Aussie drivers are compared to the rest of the world but it only ends up showing your own insecurities.
One last thing that puzzles me is if you don't want and won't allow foreign drivers to come to Oz why are you posting in a forum dedicated to drivers who want to emmigrate, is it to warn everyone off or else?
Alan
bigwheels is a fake wannabee truck driver cut & pasting trucks being a tosser dreamer...the trucking industry does not have a shortage of drivers,only bosses willing to pay drivers the proper money,my job is depot to depot, the jobs you think that are there is deadset slavery at the yearly rate of $41,000 aussie dollars,the drivers coming in to drive down our wages are the 457 visa drivers which the drivers & industry dont need & want...
Im experienced & i dont get spit up & chewed out as i am able to stand up & say what i will & wont do,this will not be available to any driver that comes in here on a 457 visa...you are the bosses lackey,your arse is his,if your at home with the family on sunday & he rings you & says you gotta go do this then thats it,you must do things we wont do,why do you think they want overseas drivers??? us aussie drivers wont work 20 hour days...there has been big problems in a few other industries where the boss puts about 14-16 up in a house,charges them rent each,& works them 20 hours a day for the minimum $41,000...our industry dont want drivers coming here & working for peanuts...i understand its happened over in the uk...
If you want a driving job here forget all this sponsorship bullshit it is deadset slave driving,forget the courier mail rubbish as there is plenty of drivers in brisbane but not at the money they want you to work for.
If your an experienced driver then go to perth then head up to the mines,all this other stuff is slavery,those type of drivers are not welcome here by our drivers & if you cant understand why then you have problems,as for insecurities ive got no worries as my experience will get me a job anywhere i want,its the wannabees like bigwheels we dont want on our roads,inexperienced wannabees in a strange country,city...
as i said give the 457 visa/courier mail ads a wide berth.
if you are good enough you will get a start,if you cant drive an 18 speed roadranger,reverse a bdouble/roadtrain you will struggle to get a start anywhere...tb
Apr 14th 2008, 3:17 pm
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Re: Rumour of driver sponsorship oz...is it true?
Tigerboi
You make some valid points about the industry but it's all got a bit personal
I myself have been driving trucks for over 25yrs, over 20 of them in heavy haulage. I certainaly wouldn't work for peanuts, and personaly have had offers of employment from Skelton Trucking & Boom Logistics (both pretty big concerns) who both pay overtime etc.
I personaly have been doing this job long enough to not worry too much about taking another test (who likes being tested anyway?)
My main question is regarding sponsorship do you really believe the big employers would be prepared to sponsor inexperienced drivers just to keep their costs down?... Probably I guess!
Over here you can still command top dollar if you are experienced and specialise in something, I know that from my own experiences.
My take on it all is Driving's pretty tough as it is but not worth a light if you're with the wrong company whatever continent you're on.
Would I be wrong in thinking though that overall there's more than 5500 driving vacancies throughout Oz?
As a side point the driving test in the UK is pretty tough too, much too much to write down (Driving here is certainly more regulated than Oz)
Understand where you're coming from trying to protect your own industry from an influx of cheap labour (It's happening here with East Europeans) but hopefuly we're talking about guys with proper experience???
Alan
You make some valid points about the industry but it's all got a bit personal
I myself have been driving trucks for over 25yrs, over 20 of them in heavy haulage. I certainaly wouldn't work for peanuts, and personaly have had offers of employment from Skelton Trucking & Boom Logistics (both pretty big concerns) who both pay overtime etc.
I personaly have been doing this job long enough to not worry too much about taking another test (who likes being tested anyway?)
My main question is regarding sponsorship do you really believe the big employers would be prepared to sponsor inexperienced drivers just to keep their costs down?... Probably I guess!
Over here you can still command top dollar if you are experienced and specialise in something, I know that from my own experiences.
My take on it all is Driving's pretty tough as it is but not worth a light if you're with the wrong company whatever continent you're on.
Would I be wrong in thinking though that overall there's more than 5500 driving vacancies throughout Oz?
As a side point the driving test in the UK is pretty tough too, much too much to write down (Driving here is certainly more regulated than Oz)
Understand where you're coming from trying to protect your own industry from an influx of cheap labour (It's happening here with East Europeans) but hopefuly we're talking about guys with proper experience???
Alan
Apr 15th 2008, 7:08 am
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Re: Rumour of driver sponsorship oz...is it true?
Tigerboi
You make some valid points about the industry but it's all got a bit personal
I myself have been driving trucks for over 25yrs, over 20 of them in heavy haulage. I certainaly wouldn't work for peanuts, and personaly have had offers of employment from Skelton Trucking & Boom Logistics (both pretty big concerns) who both pay overtime etc.
I personaly have been doing this job long enough to not worry too much about taking another test (who likes being tested anyway?)
My main question is regarding sponsorship do you really believe the big employers would be prepared to sponsor inexperienced drivers just to keep their costs down?... Probably I guess!
Over here you can still command top dollar if you are experienced and specialise in something, I know that from my own experiences.
My take on it all is Driving's pretty tough as it is but not worth a light if you're with the wrong company whatever continent you're on.
Would I be wrong in thinking though that overall there's more than 5500 driving vacancies throughout Oz?
As a side point the driving test in the UK is pretty tough too, much too much to write down (Driving here is certainly more regulated than Oz)
Understand where you're coming from trying to protect your own industry from an influx of cheap labour (It's happening here with East Europeans) but hopefuly we're talking about guys with proper experience???
Alan
You make some valid points about the industry but it's all got a bit personal
I myself have been driving trucks for over 25yrs, over 20 of them in heavy haulage. I certainaly wouldn't work for peanuts, and personaly have had offers of employment from Skelton Trucking & Boom Logistics (both pretty big concerns) who both pay overtime etc.
I personaly have been doing this job long enough to not worry too much about taking another test (who likes being tested anyway?)
My main question is regarding sponsorship do you really believe the big employers would be prepared to sponsor inexperienced drivers just to keep their costs down?... Probably I guess!
Over here you can still command top dollar if you are experienced and specialise in something, I know that from my own experiences.
My take on it all is Driving's pretty tough as it is but not worth a light if you're with the wrong company whatever continent you're on.
Would I be wrong in thinking though that overall there's more than 5500 driving vacancies throughout Oz?
As a side point the driving test in the UK is pretty tough too, much too much to write down (Driving here is certainly more regulated than Oz)
Understand where you're coming from trying to protect your own industry from an influx of cheap labour (It's happening here with East Europeans) but hopefuly we're talking about guys with proper experience???
Alan
Gotta go do a clybucca changeover now,remember this the sponsorship you all talk of is for shit money at shit companies that us aussies refuse to do,take it as gospel from someone here on the ground...all the top jobs here are gone...do you think we couldnt do it ourselves.
heres what you need to just maybe get a start...
b/double/roadtrain experience
18 speed roadranger experience
if you aint got these 2 basic trucking requirements best stay in england..
once again there aint 5,500 jobs that is how many of us aussie drivers are not using their truck licences...
dont be fooled,you will be exploited to the max,stay tuned as i will post a video soon...tb
Apr 15th 2008, 9:36 am
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Re: Rumour of driver sponsorship oz...is it true?
The jobs you speak of in brisbane courier mail are jobs for little money,as to posting,there was a guy on our truck forum saying how great euro drivers are so i thought id find out their experience,now myself & the rest of the majority voted in kevin rudd on the main issue of work choices,have you heard of that policy brought in by the ex howard government?they took away workers hard earned rights,my main beef is this guy here big wheels purporting to be the expert here on the australian trucking industry from afar furiously hitting the web,cut & paste truck driver,quoting the TWU,ATA,advising people on here he can get people aussie truck licences by underhand payments,total rubbish.
bigwheels is a fake wannabee truck driver cut & pasting trucks being a tosser dreamer...the trucking industry does not have a shortage of drivers,only bosses willing to pay drivers the proper money,my job is depot to depot, the jobs you think that are there is deadset slavery at the yearly rate of $41,000 aussie dollars,the drivers coming in to drive down our wages are the 457 visa drivers which the drivers & industry dont need & want...
Im experienced & i dont get spit up & chewed out as i am able to stand up & say what i will & wont do,this will not be available to any driver that comes in here on a 457 visa...you are the bosses lackey,your arse is his,if your at home with the family on sunday & he rings you & says you gotta go do this then thats it,you must do things we wont do,why do you think they want overseas drivers??? us aussie drivers wont work 20 hour days...there has been big problems in a few other industries where the boss puts about 14-16 up in a house,charges them rent each,& works them 20 hours a day for the minimum $41,000...our industry dont want drivers coming here & working for peanuts...i understand its happened over in the uk...
If you want a driving job here forget all this sponsorship bullshit it is deadset slave driving,forget the courier mail rubbish as there is plenty of drivers in brisbane but not at the money they want you to work for.
If your an experienced driver then go to perth then head up to the mines,all this other stuff is slavery,those type of drivers are not welcome here by our drivers & if you cant understand why then you have problems,as for insecurities ive got no worries as my experience will get me a job anywhere i want,its the wannabees like bigwheels we dont want on our roads,inexperienced wannabees in a strange country,city...
as i said give the 457 visa/courier mail ads a wide berth.
if you are good enough you will get a start,if you cant drive an 18 speed roadranger,reverse a bdouble/roadtrain you will struggle to get a start anywhere...tb
bigwheels is a fake wannabee truck driver cut & pasting trucks being a tosser dreamer...the trucking industry does not have a shortage of drivers,only bosses willing to pay drivers the proper money,my job is depot to depot, the jobs you think that are there is deadset slavery at the yearly rate of $41,000 aussie dollars,the drivers coming in to drive down our wages are the 457 visa drivers which the drivers & industry dont need & want...
Im experienced & i dont get spit up & chewed out as i am able to stand up & say what i will & wont do,this will not be available to any driver that comes in here on a 457 visa...you are the bosses lackey,your arse is his,if your at home with the family on sunday & he rings you & says you gotta go do this then thats it,you must do things we wont do,why do you think they want overseas drivers??? us aussie drivers wont work 20 hour days...there has been big problems in a few other industries where the boss puts about 14-16 up in a house,charges them rent each,& works them 20 hours a day for the minimum $41,000...our industry dont want drivers coming here & working for peanuts...i understand its happened over in the uk...
If you want a driving job here forget all this sponsorship bullshit it is deadset slave driving,forget the courier mail rubbish as there is plenty of drivers in brisbane but not at the money they want you to work for.
If your an experienced driver then go to perth then head up to the mines,all this other stuff is slavery,those type of drivers are not welcome here by our drivers & if you cant understand why then you have problems,as for insecurities ive got no worries as my experience will get me a job anywhere i want,its the wannabees like bigwheels we dont want on our roads,inexperienced wannabees in a strange country,city...
as i said give the 457 visa/courier mail ads a wide berth.
if you are good enough you will get a start,if you cant drive an 18 speed roadranger,reverse a bdouble/roadtrain you will struggle to get a start anywhere...tb
My current job was found through the Courier Mail - I earn nearly twice as much as I did in the UK. Yes, the hours are longer but if I did the same hours I would still be earning more! I was on a very good gig in the UK - certainly in the highest earning sector of the profession and here I earn more - go figure!As for not being able to drive an 18 speed road ranger - what is it with you people?? I assume your Aussie? FFS, it's a Piece Of the Proverbial!!!! Took me precisely 10 minutes to master it the first time I drove one! (which incidentally was 17 years ago when I first took my test in the UK). So.....if you cant reverse a b-double then you havent got any chance of getting a job eh??? Crap!! Absolute pure un-adulterated Crap!
You know, I never hang out in this trucking forum much - I had no idea what kind of untruths and mis-information was being banded about by so called industry professionals!
Last edited by FluffyTheCampfireSlayer; Apr 15th 2008 at 9:39 am.
Apr 15th 2008, 9:39 am
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Re: Rumour of driver sponsorship oz...is it true?
Gotta go do a clybucca changeover now,remember this the sponsorship you all talk of is for shit money at shit companies that us aussies refuse to do,take it as gospel from someone here on the ground...all the top jobs here are gone...do you think we couldnt do it ourselves.
heres what you need to just maybe get a start...
b/double/roadtrain experience
18 speed roadranger experience
if you aint got these 2 basic trucking requirements best stay in england..
once again there aint 5,500 jobs that is how many of us aussie drivers are not using their truck licences...
dont be fooled,you will be exploited to the max,stay tuned as i will post a video soon...tb
heres what you need to just maybe get a start...
b/double/roadtrain experience
18 speed roadranger experience
if you aint got these 2 basic trucking requirements best stay in england..
once again there aint 5,500 jobs that is how many of us aussie drivers are not using their truck licences...
dont be fooled,you will be exploited to the max,stay tuned as i will post a video soon...tb
Truckies reading this - you will be well advised to take tigerboi's comments with a pinch of salt!
Apr 15th 2008, 12:11 pm
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Re: Rumour of driver sponsorship oz...is it true?
Good posts mate. YOu should hang out here more often.
Apr 16th 2008, 2:18 pm
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Same old story
There's good jobs and bad jobs everywhere diffculty comes in picking the good ones, anybody half decent at their job knows that!
Last year Cement Australia had a massive recruitment drive for drivers from New Zealand for Qld cos all the locals only want mine work.......... Are they another cowboy firm????????
I for one have been driving trucks over 26 yrs and I've yet to find a job where you don't have to work sh*t hours etc, I'm sure most would agree.
Tigerboi you reckon you were doing the old road to Melb in the 70's and you've just turned 42 so you were born about 1965 jesus you started young! It's pretty bad here in the UK but we've not had child labour for a long long time
There's good jobs and bad jobs everywhere diffculty comes in picking the good ones, anybody half decent at their job knows that!
Last year Cement Australia had a massive recruitment drive for drivers from New Zealand for Qld cos all the locals only want mine work.......... Are they another cowboy firm????????
I for one have been driving trucks over 26 yrs and I've yet to find a job where you don't have to work sh*t hours etc, I'm sure most would agree.
Tigerboi you reckon you were doing the old road to Melb in the 70's and you've just turned 42 so you were born about 1965 jesus you started young! It's pretty bad here in the UK but we've not had child labour for a long long time
Apr 18th 2008, 6:41 am
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Re: Rumour of driver sponsorship oz...is it true?
twice as much my arse,10 minutes on a road ranger rubbish...
brisbane driver goose...
dont come you are not welcome,we dont want overseas drivers coming here ok...
must be absolute the shitest money in the uk if reckon you earn double,
dont forget the conversion rate...knob...
i will be at clybucca from 11.30 every night clown,look for the p&a argosy towing border express b/double trailers...knob
your having a massive tug,double money...
brisbane driver goose...
dont come you are not welcome,we dont want overseas drivers coming here ok...
must be absolute the shitest money in the uk if reckon you earn double,
dont forget the conversion rate...knob...
i will be at clybucca from 11.30 every night clown,look for the p&a argosy towing border express b/double trailers...knob
your having a massive tug,double money...
Oh, and as for staying in the UK - too late pal! I am here, driving IN Brisbane AND earning twice as much as a well paid driver from the UK! Shame your not - really feel for ya!
Oh, and mind the personal insults, they're not welcome on this forum as you will no doubt quickly find out if you continue with them!
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Apr 18th 2008, 7:21 am
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This is better than watching coronation street 
I thought only us girls were good at slanging matches, but hey! I was wrong, Good reading, keep it up boys so we got sommat to read over the w/end.
Kim,
I thought only us girls were good at slanging matches, but hey! I was wrong, Good reading, keep it up boys so we got sommat to read over the w/end.
Kim,
Apr 18th 2008, 7:30 am
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[QUOTE=tigerboi;6226410]
dont come you are not welcome,we dont want overseas drivers coming here ok...QUOTE]
I think you would relish the chance to show uk drivers how good you are, or is it your scared of them showing you up
Darren
dont come you are not welcome,we dont want overseas drivers coming here ok...QUOTE]
I think you would relish the chance to show uk drivers how good you are, or is it your scared of them showing you up
Darren
May 18th 2008, 8:33 pm
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bigwheels is a fake wannabee truck driver cut & pasting trucks being a tosser dreamer...
If your an experienced driver then go to perth then head up to the mines,all this other stuff is slavery,those type of drivers are not welcome here by our drivers & if you cant understand why then you have problems,as for insecurities ive got no worries as my experience will get me a job anywhere i want,its the wannabees like bigwheels we dont want on our roads,inexperienced wannabees in a strange country,city...
If your an experienced driver then go to perth then head up to the mines,all this other stuff is slavery,those type of drivers are not welcome here by our drivers & if you cant understand why then you have problems,as for insecurities ive got no worries as my experience will get me a job anywhere i want,its the wannabees like bigwheels we dont want on our roads,inexperienced wannabees in a strange country,city...
Tiger, ask around, am well known, started at age 16 for Buntine Roadways (Katherine NT) lived in the NT most of my life, drove road-trains all over the nth when you was just a thought in your fathers eyes.
Now some name dropping:
Ask any OZ expierence driver who is from that area of good people like (EJ) / Jimmy Jackson / Regie Peckham well they and I are real Territory Drivers who know the game better then you Queen Street Ringers / highway suicide jockeys will ever know.
Seen the likes of you too many times arrive in the Nth thinking that yoiu know it all, when you know little.
You say (Wannabees) isnt that a suburb in Perth
It is people like you who make the true Aussie Trucker sick to be associated with, you have stuck a chip on the old block that even towie couldnt move.
