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British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)
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-   -   yep it's already started! (https://britishexpats.com/forum/trailer-park-96/yep-its-already-started-890475/)

dc koop Jan 31st 2017 7:04 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12166981)
It doesn't really matter if there are advantages or disadvantages, as a dual national, it is your right to hold both passports if you are happy enough to pay the fees in order to do so. Since neither the UK, nor the US actually prohibit dual citizenship, as long as you are using the appropriate passport at the appropriate time and place, it doesn't matter how many passports you have. I could go get an Irish passport if I wanted and I'm pretty sure there is at least one poster in the US immigration forums (is it Ian, maybe?) who has UK, US and Canadian citizenship.
But why pay for holding more that's another point? If I had ever needed or wanted to return to live in the UK after becoming an American citizen I would have arrived with my US passport and when asked the purpose of my visit replied I was coming back to reside permanently in the UK. There's nothing they could do about it, plus I have my British birth certificate if requested.
It would then make sense in that case to renew my old UK passport for travel to other countries outside the US.

One thing I was told by a US official was that if I ever got thrown in the slammer while in the UK there's not much the US consular officials could do for me since I'm still regarded as a UK citizen over there in the matter of jurisdiction

My wife is in process of renewing her US passport, the only one she's entitled to. It costs $110.00

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2017 7:14 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12167000)
But why pay for holding more that's another point? If I had ever needed or wanted to return to live in the UK after becoming an American citizen I would have arrived with my US passport and when asked the purpose of my visit replied I was coming back to reside permanently in the UK. There's nothing they could do about it, plus I have my British birth certificate if requested.
It would then make sense in that case to renew my old UK passport for travel to other countries outside the US.

One thing I was told by a US official was that if I ever got thrown in the slammer while in the UK there's not much the US consular officials could do for me since I'm still regarded as a UK citizen over there in the matter of jurisdiction

My wife is in process of renewing her US passport, the only one she's entitled to. It costs $110.00
Oh yeah, I know. My UK passport expired in 2014 and I haven't got a new one, and at this stage I probably won't in the future either as my US one works fine for now. If a situation arises where we find ourselves moving to the UK (though now our son is 18, that's ever more unlikely), then I'll get a new one but as you say, for me at least, it isn't worth the extra expense just now.

I believe that US official is correct. Likewise, as US citizens, I don't think we are entitled to UK consular services while we are in the US.

hungryhorace Jan 31st 2017 7:39 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12167010)
I believe that US official is correct. Likewise, as US citizens, I don't think we are entitled to UK consular services while we are in the US.
Not true, you are entitled to consular services for as long as you remain a UKC.

SultanOfSwing Jan 31st 2017 7:40 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by hungryhorace (Post 12167045)
Not true, you are entitled to consular services for as long as you remain a UKC.
I could have sworn I read that somewhere. I must have been thinking of the situation dc koop described, then.

Bob Jan 31st 2017 7:44 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by Wintersong (Post 12166107)
:blink:

Out of interest, how did they know? Presumably s/he used their US passport to enter the US - were they questioned about citizenship status, or was it because they used the NZ passport at the other end?
They were never told why exactly. They did use their Kiwi passports for the other end of the trip and it was a months stay. The kids were born in the US though and also given a grilling about what they were doing out of the US and questioned the lack of visa stamps considering the length of stay.

It all sounded rather random.

Bob Jan 31st 2017 7:46 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12166133)
US passports show a persons country of birth. A naturalized US citizen should never use the passport of their previous country. The INS don't like it
INS hasn't been around for years and that only applies when entering/exiting the US.

It's never been a problem previously for, well everybody.

Bob Jan 31st 2017 7:52 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by mrken30 (Post 12166980)
I probably won't renew my British passport once it expires. I am not sure how easy it will be to get a new passport after I don't renew.
It's easy, until it gets to x number of years, 10 I think, when you have to apply as if it were a first time passport and requires more proof of UK citizenship.

Jerseygirl Jan 31st 2017 8:07 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12167047)
I could have sworn I read that somewhere. I must have been thinking of the situation dc koop described, then.
I thought so too.

Rete Jan 31st 2017 8:10 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12167000)
My wife is in process of renewing her US passport, the only one she's entitled to. It costs $110.00
And its good for 10 years. $11 a year for a passport is pissed away on crap Starbucks coffee twice a week.

london_calling Jan 31st 2017 8:15 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12166140)
the US is so much more than the mentally defective twunt who is temporarily at the helm.
That 47% of the voting public wanted at the helm. Just like they did Bush, Reagan etc.

Can we please just accept the USA for what it is, rather than the enlightened society people on here want it to be?

dc koop Jan 31st 2017 8:25 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Weird things are happening though

Nutmegger Jan 31st 2017 8:28 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by london_calling (Post 12167073)
That 47% of the voting public wanted at the helm. Just like they did Bush, Reagan etc.

Can we please just accept the USA for what it is, rather than the enlightened society people on here want it to be?
You mean that the other 53% should slink quietly away and ignore the insanity?

mrken30 Jan 31st 2017 8:30 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 12167047)
I could have sworn I read that somewhere. I must have been thinking of the situation dc koop described, then.
me too, or maybe I was told that at my immigration interview.

mrken30 Jan 31st 2017 8:31 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by Rete (Post 12167069)
And its good for 10 years. $11 a year for a passport is pissed away on crap Starbucks coffee twice a week.
A UK passport is around $250 from what I remember.

Giantaxe Jan 31st 2017 8:36 am
Re: yep it's already started!
 
Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 12167000)
But why pay for holding more that's another point?
I've explained one financial reason to do so. Additionally, I feel - a little - more comfortable travelling around the world on a UK passport than a US one, a feeling that might be heightened in the age of Trump.


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